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The Rise and Fall of Classical Greece (The Princeton History of the Ancient World, 1) Paperback – October 4, 2016
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A major new history of classical Greece―how it rose, how it fell, and what we can learn from it
Lord Byron described Greece as great, fallen, and immortal, a characterization more apt than he knew. Through most of its long history, Greece was poor. But in the classical era, Greece was densely populated and highly urbanized. Many surprisingly healthy Greeks lived in remarkably big houses and worked for high wages at specialized occupations. Middle-class spending drove sustained economic growth and classical wealth produced a stunning cultural efflorescence lasting hundreds of years.
Why did Greece reach such heights in the classical period―and why only then? And how, after "the Greek miracle" had endured for centuries, did the Macedonians defeat the Greeks, seemingly bringing an end to their glory? Drawing on a massive body of newly available data and employing novel approaches to evidence, Josiah Ober offers a major new history of classical Greece and an unprecedented account of its rise and fall.
Ober argues that Greece's rise was no miracle but rather the result of political breakthroughs and economic development. The extraordinary emergence of citizen-centered city-states transformed Greece into a society that defeated the mighty Persian Empire. Yet Philip and Alexander of Macedon were able to beat the Greeks in the Battle of Chaeronea in 338 BCE, a victory made possible by the Macedonians' appropriation of Greek innovations. After Alexander's death, battle-hardened warlords fought ruthlessly over the remnants of his empire. But Greek cities remained populous and wealthy, their economy and culture surviving to be passed on to the Romans―and to us.
A compelling narrative filled with uncanny modern parallels, this is a book for anyone interested in how great civilizations are born and die.
This book is based on evidence available on a new interactive website. To learn more, please visit: http://polis.stanford.edu/.
- Print length448 pages
- LanguageEnglish
- PublisherPrinceton University Press
- Publication dateOctober 4, 2016
- Dimensions5.25 x 1.5 x 8 inches
- ISBN-100691173141
- ISBN-13978-0691173146
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"One of Flavorwire’s 10 Must-Read Academic Books for 2015"
"Shortlisted for the 2016 Ralph Waldo Emerson Award, Phi Beta Kappa Society"
"One of HistoryBuff.com’s 10 Can’t-Miss History Books of 2015"
"Superb."---Armand Marie Leroi, New York Times
"In the late fourth century B.C., Aristotle and his students collected the constitutions of more than 150 […] city-states. The scholar who would today follow in Aristotle's footsteps has to deal with a far more formidable mass of data. Few of today's scholars control more of this data, or write about it more insightfully, than Josiah Ober. [T]hose willing to put in the effort will learn much from the deep meditations of an expert historian and political philosopher."---James Romm, Wall Street Journal
"[T]his could turn out to be Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire for classical Greece."---Jonathan Sturgeon, Flavorwire
"Ober marshals a wealth of new data to make the case for a much different view of Greek history . . . there was something distinct about the Greek world, he argues. What set the Greeks apart, he says, was their choice of a particular kind of order--and the cultural attitudes that went with it. Citizen self-government. Equality of standing among persons. Fair and open institutions. These ideas, unusual in history, were well developed in the Greek world, Ober notes. If we care about them, he says, we should pay attention."---Marc Parry, Chronicle of Higher Education
"[Ober¹s] central argument is that the achievements of Greek civilization were rooted in its prosperity, and that was the result of a rough economic and political equality. . . . [He] ranges over a half millennium of Greek history, from the 8th to the 3rd centuries BCE, seeking the roots of Greek "efflorescence"--its material and cultural flourishing. . . . [The Rise and Fall of Classical Greece] is rife with parallels to the present."---Brian Bethune, Macleans
"An attractive, informative, and timely picture of Greece from Homer to Aristotle. . . . It's an absorbing story full of excitement, drama and hope."---Evaggelos Valiantos, Huffington Post
"A sharp and insightful economic history."---Daisy Dunn, History Today
"[The Rise and Fall of Classical Greece] is by far [Ober's] most ambitious work to date, a magisterial tour of the successes and failures of various city-states throughout the Greek world from the archaic through the Hellenistic periods. . . . The thrust of the book is not just provocative but persuasive.""---Adriaan Lanni, The New Rambler
"This book is a groundbreaking examination of what Ober (political science, Stanford) calls the ‘efflorescence' of ancient Greece, which, divided into some 1,100 city-states as it was, developed a unified, dominant culture." ― Choice
"His narrative history of Greek efflorescence is engaging and full of insights."---Richard Seaford, Literary Review
"A thought-provoking book with great depth. As the great political theorists of the modern era have always known, the ancient Greek experience provides immense empirical material to mine for insights into political science: how we design rules of politics to secure human freedom and well-being. We ignore the experience of classical civilization to our own disadvantage."---Jason Sorens, The American Conservative
"This challenging book is like no other history of the ancient world. . . . [Ober] produces some engaging and striking analyses of familiar historical episodes." ― American Historical Review
"Intriguing. . . . [Y]ou can think of this book as how an economist might think about ancient Greece."---Tyler Cowen, Marginal Revolution
"[Ober's] work will be of interest to anyone who is serious about the history of political economy, or who wants to know more about the relationship between democracy, economic growth, and human flourishing, whether in the ancient or modern world. . . . The Rise and Fall of Classical Greece . . . will richly reward a serious lay reader. One of its most appealing qualities is its multidisciplinary approach, which is the fruit of Ober's extensive and generously acknowledged collaboration with scholars from around the world as well as with his Stanford colleagues in a number of fields, including the sciences. In this respect, it points in a direction that future humanities scholars will need to go if they, too, wish to flourish."---David Wharton, Weekly Standard
"A fresh and vigorous account about the roots of democracy."---Brian A. Pavlac, Canadian Journal of History
"Important and provocative."---Thomas M. Banchich, European Legacy
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"This is a groundbreaking book on the ancient world. Displaying the narrative skill of a master historian, The Rise and Fall of Classical Greece is must reading."―Barry Strauss, author of The Death of Caesar: The Story of History's Greatest Assassination
"Remarkable. . . . [The Rise and Fall of Classical Greece] deserves a very broad readership in political science across subfields. It brings Greek antiquity into the 21st century."―S. Sara Monoson, Perspectives on Politics
"An astonishing work. If you want to know what the fuss is about the ancient Greeks, this is the book to start with."―John Ma, University of Oxford
"This excellent book presents a wealth of new evidence on the economic performance of ancient Greece, and how that performance was linked to democratic institutions. The data that Ober presents are truly extraordinary. Moreover, the main story is well presented, well argued, and thoroughly enjoyable to read."―Robert Fleck, Clemson University
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"In this exemplary book, Josiah Ober, one of the foremost international authorities on ancient Greek political, economic, and intellectual history, persuasively explains why and how ancient Greek communities and individuals managed--and sometimes failed--to flourish culturally and materially."--Paul Cartledge, author of The Spartans: The World of the Warrior-Heroes of Ancient Greece
"This is a groundbreaking book on the ancient world. Displaying the narrative skill of a master historian, The Rise and Fall of Classical Greece is must reading."--Barry Strauss, author of The Death of Caesar: The Story of History's Greatest Assassination
"Remarkable. . . . [The Rise and Fall of Classical Greece] deserves a very broad readership in political science across subfields. It brings Greek antiquity into the 21st century."--S. Sara Monoson, Perspectives on Politics
"An astonishing work. If you want to know what the fuss is about the ancient Greeks, this is the book to start with."--John Ma, University of Oxford
"This excellent book presents a wealth of new evidence on the economic performance of ancient Greece, and how that performance was linked to democratic institutions. The data that Ober presents are truly extraordinary. Moreover, the main story is well presented, well argued, and thoroughly enjoyable to read."--Robert Fleck, Clemson University
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I am a professor of Political Science and Classics at Stanford University. I am also the founder and currently faculty director of the Stanford Civics Initiative (https://civics.stanford.edu/). I hold a bachelor's degree in History from the University of Minnesota and a PhD in History from the University of Michigan. I joined the Stanford faculty in 2006; I previously taught at Princeton and Montana State Universities. I once served as Chairman of Princeton’s Classics Department and later as Chairman of Stanford’s Political Science Department. My writing focuses on history, political theory, economic thought, and the contemporary relevance of the ancient Greek world. My current work in progress includes a book, co-authored with my friend Brook Manville, on the role of civic bargains in the emergence and persistence of democratic government. My wife is Adrienne Mayor, the author of a number of terrific books on ancient myth and science.
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Ober writes that he he is using “modern tools” to examine the classical efflorescence. Indeed. You will find all the buzz words of the last 30 years in this book. You will find our old friend E O Wilson, of course, game theory and all it’s application to human society and (I myself strongly demur) the default of rational decider economic theory
Especially interesting to me as a beekeeper and hymenopteraphiliac was the early dependence on lateral organization among the social insects (ants, in this example). This work is truly insightful and is changing our constructs in many fields, including neuroscience. Ants at Work, is the study quoted, but I would suggest the more recent Honeybee Democracy. Bit of a digression, I guess, but also an excellent example of how Ober deploys "modern tools" in his book. I do think applying this model of social organization is a new and interesting take on the organization of the polis. The theme is dropped after the first quarter of the book.
There are graphs and charts throughout the book , in addition to other things giving detailed information on the size and rankings of the polies recently compiled which give the classics student a much need context to the usual Athen=Greece perspective. Syracuse is well covered, another unusual feature. Modern measurements are used to attempt to quantify the actual “material” achievements of the life style during the classical period, helping us understand the common claim that the Greeks reached a standard of living not re-achieved for several millennia.
I should note, there seems to be a school developing in the classics department at Stanford. I (coincidentally) read this book after Foragers, Farmers and Fossil Fuel to which this book refers and which I would also recommend.
When the classics are, they say, declining along with the liberal arts in general, I’m amazed at how much good stuff continues to be published. This book is not just good stuff, however, it is essential reading for classicists and students and history buffs in general.
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Para Ober, la Grecia Clásica constituyó una excepción, digna de estudio, porque rodeada de imperios y reinos “floreció”, combinando la democracia con la prosperidad material.
De acuerdo con el autor, las polis eran sociedades igualitarias sin una autoridad centralizada, donde los individuos –con su libertad y su propiedad aseguradas– competían y cooperaban entre sí, intercambiaban información y se especializaban económicamente, superándose en su oficio y dando lugar a notables desarrollos tecnológicos, filosóficos y culturales (“destrucción creativa”). Aquí Ober se apoya en la Teoría de la Acción Colectiva (cooperar para crear bienes comunes, aplicando una visión estratégica) y los hormigueros, que se organizan sin una autoridad central gracias a los intercambios de información entre hormigas individuales.
Del mismo modo, las polis competían y comerciaban entre sí, aprovechando sus “ventajas comparativas” (dos mil años antes de que las describiera Adam Smith) en una “ecología de ciudades” con mercados abiertos. Ocasionalmente, formaban ligas o federaciones para avanzar sus intereses compartidos y hacer frente a amenazas externas. La clave de este fructífero comercio era la existencia de leyes claras (instituciones, cultura cívica), conocidas y convenientes para todos (bajos costos de transacción, etc.). Así, para Ober, el mundo griego prefiguró una idealizada globalización neoliberal.
Ober se esfuerza por demostrar, con información cuantitativa, que la Grecia Clásica fue realmente próspera, tanto en comparación con la propia Grecia antes y después de la época clásica (antes del siglo XX), como con otras sociedades de la antigüedad. Esto es plausible. También afirma que la riqueza estaba equitativamente distribuida, dando origen a una substancial “clase media” (sic.) cuyo consumo habría impulsado el crecimiento. Este segundo aserto es más problemático, y a mi modo de ver, no es suficientemente demostrado.
En los capítulos 6 a 11, Ober hace una idiosincrática historia política y económica de la Grecia Antigua, enmarcada por las propuestas teóricas expuestas anteriormente. Esta segunda parte es un poco mejor, y tiene pasajes interesantes (especialmente los que no están lastrados por las extravagancias teóricas de Ober). No describe los avances científicos y culturales, cuyo conocimiento da por sentado.
Finalmente, la caída de la Grecia Clásica es atribuida a que Estados de la periferia no democráticos y “oportunistas” –la Macedonia de Filipo II y Alejandro Magno– copiaron selectivamente algunos de sus avances institucionales, tecnológicos y militares y los usaron en contra suya. A pesar de todo, las ciudades griegas pervivieron y, en muchos casos, preservaron su autonomía y su régimen democrático durante el periodo helenístico, negociando con los reyes predadores que sucedieron a Alejandro (aquí el autor recurre a la teoría de juegos para explicar este resultado, infiriendo los “cálculos estratégicos” racionales de los múltiples “jugadores”). Así, el “florecimiento” continuó hasta la llegada de Roma.
Los defectos del argumento de Ober –más allá de sus preferencias teóricas e ideológicas, que no comparto– son obvios. La Grecia Clásica que describe el autor nunca existió. Lamentablemente –por lo menos para los esclavos, las mujeres y los extranjeros– Grecia, como todas las civilizaciones de la Antigüedad (y hasta nuestros días) fue una sociedad de clases. No fue una sociedad capitalista, como anacrónicamente la presenta el autor, sino esclavista. La distribución de la riqueza era muy desigual, y se fundaba en la explotación del trabajo esclavo. Ober apenas se refiere al esclavismo (acaso para mencionar que los esclavos de Grecia vivían mejor que los de otras sociedades antiguas).
Ober exagera la descentralización política. El disfrute de la ciudadanía plena estuvo siempre seriamente restringido y, por supuesto, existieron autoridades que centralizaron el poder (sus constituciones cambiaron a lo largo del tiempo y de una ciudad-Estado a otra, pero HUBO ESTADO). Leyendo a Ober (especialmente la primera mitad del libro, donde presenta su tesis), uno podría quedarse con la errónea impresión de que en Grecia no hubo gobierno, sino cooperación entre los ciudadanos sin la intervención de una autoridad central (¡como las hormigas!). Esta doble ficción –económica y política– es el punto de partida de todo su análisis (Ober recoge algunas de estas objeciones en sus notas al pie, pero las desestima sin discutirlas mayormente).
Como es obvio, Ober identifica muchos paralelismos entre su caricatura de la Antigua Grecia y el mundo contemporáneo. No disimula su entusiasmo por uno y otro: “Vivo en tiempos excepcionales. Puedo dar por sentado un orden global definido por muchos estados independientes, algunos de ellos ricas federaciones democráticas gobernadas en última instancia por sus ciudadanos. La libertad, la igualdad y la dignidad son valores ampliamente compartidos. En estados donde los ciudadanos mantienen a los gobernantes bajo control, la autoridad pública protege los derechos individuales y el estado de derecho impera la mayor parte del tiempo. Estas condiciones políticas promueven el crecimiento económico…”. Su caracterización del mundo contemporáneo es igual de simplista que el de la Grecia Clásica.
Ober advierte que la Grecia Clásica tiene lecciones para el presente. Se desprende que las amenazas a esta civilización “floreciente” provendrán de Estados “oportunistas” no democráticos de la periferia, que se apropiarán de los avances tecnológicos y militares para subvertir a las democracias. Ober no especifica cuáles son esos Estados oportunistas en la sociedad internacional actual, pero no hace falta mucha imaginación para adivinarlo.
Por mi parte, no comparto el entusiasmo del autor por el mundo en que vivimos, y no lo calificaría de “floreciente”. Tampoco me convencen sus dotes oraculares.
Compré este libro animado por la descripción y los comentarios positivos. Me arrepiento (de haberlo comprado, y de haberlo leído hasta la última página). Sirva esta reseña como advertencia a potenciales víctimas.
En effet Ober cherche les causes de la réussite grecque, avec à sa disposition de nouvelles découvertes archéologiques qui lui permettront d'être encore plus précis.
Il s'intéresse à l'histoire économique, aux institutions politiques et donc à la philosophie politique, à la démographie, le livre est truffé de courbes en tout genre, graphiques, tableaux, cartes, très utile à la compréhension de ce miracle pré-moderne.
Ober se demande aussi pourquoi une Grèce aussi divisée (les cités) a autant réussi alors que la division aurait dû en faire une proie facile surtout avec l'empire Perse juste à côté.
L'auteur n'hésite pas à comparer avec les différentes époques et plutôt que tomber dans le vulgaire anachronisme, ses mises en perspectives nourrissent la réflexion.
C'est un livre dans la lignée de ce qu'il se passe depuis quelques décennies maintenant dans les universités anglo-saxonnes (les travaux souvent publiés chez Princeton comme celui-ci), et ce depuis la mondialisation. Ober l'annonce dès son introduction, il parle de la "global history", des historiens comme Douglass North (on pense aussi à Joel Mokyr avec son "The Gifts of Athena" qui va très bien avec celui d'Ober). Pour l’auteur, l'analyse de la réussite (et la chute) de la Grèce antique doit nous servir pour nos démocraties modernes. Tout comme la global history nous permet de mieux comprendre la mondialisation.
Ceux ayant des connaissances solides sur l'Antiquité n'apprendront pas grand chose, juste quelques solides confirmations. Le livre n'est pas uniquement un essai et fonctionne aussi comme synthèse de l'histoire de la Grèce, avec quelques passages sur l'histoire politique et militaire très pointu. Une vraie réussite.
Reviewed in France on August 29, 2018
En effet Ober cherche les causes de la réussite grecque, avec à sa disposition de nouvelles découvertes archéologiques qui lui permettront d'être encore plus précis.
Il s'intéresse à l'histoire économique, aux institutions politiques et donc à la philosophie politique, à la démographie, le livre est truffé de courbes en tout genre, graphiques, tableaux, cartes, très utile à la compréhension de ce miracle pré-moderne.
Ober se demande aussi pourquoi une Grèce aussi divisée (les cités) a autant réussi alors que la division aurait dû en faire une proie facile surtout avec l'empire Perse juste à côté.
L'auteur n'hésite pas à comparer avec les différentes époques et plutôt que tomber dans le vulgaire anachronisme, ses mises en perspectives nourrissent la réflexion.
C'est un livre dans la lignée de ce qu'il se passe depuis quelques décennies maintenant dans les universités anglo-saxonnes (les travaux souvent publiés chez Princeton comme celui-ci), et ce depuis la mondialisation. Ober l'annonce dès son introduction, il parle de la "global history", des historiens comme Douglass North (on pense aussi à Joel Mokyr avec son "The Gifts of Athena" qui va très bien avec celui d'Ober). Pour l’auteur, l'analyse de la réussite (et la chute) de la Grèce antique doit nous servir pour nos démocraties modernes. Tout comme la global history nous permet de mieux comprendre la mondialisation.
Ceux ayant des connaissances solides sur l'Antiquité n'apprendront pas grand chose, juste quelques solides confirmations. Le livre n'est pas uniquement un essai et fonctionne aussi comme synthèse de l'histoire de la Grèce, avec quelques passages sur l'histoire politique et militaire très pointu. Une vraie réussite.