A New American Civil War In 2010?
January 5, 2009 | 211 Comments
According to Russian political analyst, Igor Pananin, civil war will break out in the United States of America in 2010 resulting in the country’s disintegration. He forecasts that America will break into six pieces, and that each will come under the influence, if not outright control, of another country. An article outlining this startling argument appeared in the December 29, 2008 Wall Street Journal. Is there any credence to this seemingly outlandish claim? Sadly or happily (depending on one’s viewpoint) Professor Pananin is more or less on target.
The result of the collapse will not be as neat as Professor Pananin suggests but the thrust of his argument is correct. And while a full blown civil war may not breakout in 2010, the United States most likely will have descended into chaos and anarchy before 2013, sucking the other two North American countries into a political black hole along with it. In short, those who voted for Barak Obama and the Democrats because they wanted change are about to get a belly full of it as the United States of America follows the other great 19th century empires into the ash can of history.
The breakup of the three North American countries will be surprisingly peaceful, but there will be exceptions, with areas of extraordinary violence and “ethnic cleansing” in Mexico and California, especially in Los Angeles County. But in the end, nine to twelve autonomous countries will emerge with borders roughly paralleling those found in the maps of the expanding United States we remember from our high school history class. The origins of post Civil War America’s breakup in the early 21st century are complex; but, by the seemingly unified and peaceful 1950’s, American political tectonic plates were on the move, and in 1964 produced a devastating political earthquake, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (it would not take effect until 1965) that would begin to tear the country, indeed the entire continent, apart. Manifold tremors would follow, virtually shaking the United States to pieces, and in 2008 the Democrats would nominate, and the American people would elect a black man president, a clear and unmistakable statement that the old order had come to an end.
All this does not mean that the Democrats and those who voted for Mr. Obama are somehow unpatriotic, or look forward to the disintegration and demise of the United States; far from it. If anything they are idealistic super patriots who intend to build upon the rubble of the old America a better more decent country than the one that preceded it. Alas, despite their boundless optimism and fundamental decency, they will fail because the damage has been done, the old consensus has disappeared, the forces of disintegration are far too advanced, and the economic and social centrifugal forces are too powerful; and so, Barak Obama, despite heroic efforts to save and redeem the country, will be the last president of the United States of America.
so basically the world is going to come to an end because a black man which is barack obama became president…………. meaning behind this is if john mccain was elected president the world wouldnt end??????????????????? its not quiet understandable because most people dont knw when the world is going to end until god is ready for it to end ….
Dear Shatera:
I do not mean that the United States will end because a black man has been elected president. Personally I wish him well, and find it somewhat refreshing that someone other than a white male protestant has been elected. But I am saying that the disintigration of the country is so far advanced that president Obama cannot prevent it.
The country “struck the iceberg” in 1964 and is sinking. I believe that the current financial news vindicates my thesis that it now cost more to maintain the country than the country can afford to pay. There is nothing president Obama can do to alter this fact. Any hope the country could bail itself out ended with the utterly incompotent and corrupt George W. Bush administration with the full support of the brain dead Republican congress.
Author
look at the size of the American armed forces… have you seen the size of them? good! Now think thats thousands of nukes and millilons of soldiers and planes. Unless the military get on the side of the rebals Americas not going to split. it might go into a large civil war or unrest with multiple very powerful anarchist groups attempting to overthrow government but then america will just install marshall law. If that is wrong then look at the 1930s the great depression. The people were alot worse of but they didnt have rebbelions and split the country up. If nopthing else America will declare war on some small country that has no hope of defending it self and use some lame escuse to bost the morale of the citizens.
(if their going to attack somewhere i suggest a small African people can be outraged but its not important enough for people to actualy take action against America and the diamonds and oil would make valauble commodities for America)
Dear A Person:
You raise a valid point, and that is that the American mlitary is most impressive.But who is going to pay the bill? How is the United States going to be able to afford such an expensive tool to project its power? I suspect president Obama’s stated intention to focus more on diplomacy is an indication that the United Statres may not be able to continue to project overwhealming military might in the future in order to proect and defend its “vital interests”.
Author
There is a good video on you tube of obamas cheif economic advisor robert reich and charles rangel a democrat from new york talking about not having a economic stimulus package but a social stimulus package. where the long term unemployed minorities will get money and skilled white construction workers will get nothing and we will be to busy worrying about paying our bills and working to do anything about it. i voted for obama because im in the union and unions are pro obama but i know for a fact if something like that happens we will not stand for it. go to you tube to see for yourselves and search robert reich and charles rangel
Dear Another Name:
Ranel, Reich et al. will propose all sorts of ideas. Don’t bet on many of them making it through congress. This is just an example of a political party throwing red meat to the faithful after an election. Both sides do it. As to the unions supporting Obama. That is their choice. But we have a secret ballot in this country so I assume you voted for Mr. Obama because you believe in his programs and not because you were told to vote for him. If you later regret your vote, I sympathize with you. I voted for George W. Bush, twice. So I feel your pain.
Author
Many people, especially in the United States, think that we’re in the “end times”
and that “jesus” will be coming back!
But as Bertrand Russell once stated “NO ONE KNOWS IF THIS JESUS CHRIST EXISTED AND IF HE DID,NOTHING IS KNOWN ABOUT HIM!”
Bookmarked for future mockery, thanks!
Dear Mike:
Russell depended on the scholarship of Rudolph Bultmann who attempted to debunk the idea of a “historical” Jesus, and build an existential philosophy based on the concept of the Christ of “Faith”. It was a kind of sanitized Christianity that would be acceptable and respectable in Nazi Germany and post WW II Europe. No need to deal with all the “unpleasant” Jewish stuff. Some but not all of his ideas are still standing, and his work does serve as a warning to contemporary academics to be be very cautious when writing a biography of Jesus. Of course, it didn’t help that the founder of existentialism, Martin Heidigger, was a Nazi “red hot”. By the way, I am not predicting the “end of times” for the USA, but I am suggesting we are at a tipping point, and the trajectory the country has been on since 1965 will drive the country into an unknown and quite possibly a rather unpleasant place.
Author
Dear Lazlo:
What?
Author
To Mr.Author:
The denial of Christ and Christianity can be accused of being a Nazi anymore than to reject John Maynard Keyenes is to be branded a Communist Pinko!
Sir Edward Gibbon (in his Magnum Opus) “the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire,blamed agitators for instigating their “own” form of Paulist Christianity that was designed to destroy (and it did) the Roman Empire as revenge for the Romans for destroying the Third Temple! Read Marcus Eli Ravage’s “War by Propaganda War by Stealth”. Gibbon (who was an apostate Roman Catholic vehemently hated christianity and said that the Dark Ages was caused by christianity as,of course,it contributed to the fall of Rome! He stated in his writings that the Romans recorded civil wars,famines,earthquakes,etc., but the greatest event in history (birth of Christ)-NOTHING!
The American Founding Fathers were not christians,but Deists, as Thomas Jefferson once quiped ” There will come time when the belief of a savior coming from the womb of a virgin is as plausable as Minerva coming from the head of Jupiter! Thomas Paine claimed that Christianity is just a re-hash of the old Egyptian mystery religions with some name changes!
Read Tom Harpur’s book “The Pagan Christ” to gain more insight on this!
The Jewish people,as a whole, don’t believe in Christ nor that he existed,so why should anyone else? If he existed, he came to the House of Israel and not to anyone else! Hopefully,maybe,some day there will be some true,unbiased,
religious figure come to this world and tell it like it is,but always ask questions!
Several States in the U.S. are preparing/enacting legislation that will enable those states to succeed the union when the federal government begins to destroy the Constitution. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8b8VhAfiAc IT’S ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep your powder dry my fellow Patriots!!
@Deer Crusher - Thanks for the You Tube Link. I’ve made it the official video for this post.
Author,
It is sad and unfortunate, but I agree with your article. I don’t know if this country will actually split as many times as the Russian professor predicts, though I believe that there will be some states that do secede and join resources with other states, effectively forming new countries.
I don’t believe, as a couple of people stated, that this will be the end of the world or the “Second coming” (I think that is ludicrous personally), but I do think that it will have an incredible impact on the rest of the world; especially our neighbors to the North and South.
One more thing. This comment goes towards the “A person” fellow that posted on Jan. 20th.
Should the US go into full blown civil war, here are a few numbers for you to chew on. The U.S. Military has roughly 2.4 million troops. The U.S. population is over 300 million. Of course some will take the side of the government, exponentially increasing the U.S. military’s strength, but I imagine the people will ultimately outnumber the armed forces should a war break out. I pray that it does not.
The US government has undermined the constitution. Back before the first civil war. With the Federal Reserve, Taxes. I think it is time to take back this beautiful place GOD has given us. GOD gave us freedom here that you could not get in any other country in the world. People from other countries are suppose to asimulate in to this great country of oppurtunity. But no they do not! I will help protect this country of mine from enemies from within. An I know who the enimies of WE the PEOPLE are. The WRITTER is right on. Who is with me in defending our country. GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!
I’m with you Jason but what can just one man do. Or, several thousand for that matter?
Dear leaf
have you ever heard of a nuclear bomb or even a regular bomb. Unless civilians can get their hands on this kind of technology i doubt therell be a change in power.
also that 2.4 million are a group of heavily armed trained killers with heavy machine guns and things not available to the public like tanks
Dear Jason
for a start you sound like a raving lunatic. Secondly your not the most free country in the world your a republic you have as much freedom as every other republic or democracy around the world. Something that’s funny is G W Bushes comment saying Russia cant invade a democratic country then encouraging the Israelis to attack the Palestinians Gaza; the Gaza government was legaly elected by its people.
You dont have more freedom than any of these other countries. you have the freedom to elect you government and nothing else. for example; can you control a military action, do you have any say in laws, can you control how the government spends your taxes. No you can do none of this so I only want to say this once more
AMERICA IS NOT THE MOST FREE NATION ON EARTH!!!
a person, I wouldn’t completely count out a military coup either. The possibilities are really too numerous to speculate on. As far as the advanced weaponry goes, go to a gun show. You would be surprised at what is available to the public. Of course we don’t have nuclear weaponry, but that isn’t something that would EVER be used on US soil anyway, so that point is moot.
There are only 7000 tanks owned by the US Military, and the american public CAN buy medium armor military vehicles. Look online for “tanks for sale”. The weaponry isn’t included of course, but you would be surprised.
Speaking of tanks for sale, this is a must see:
http://www.amazon.com/JL421-Badonkadonk-Land-Cruiser-Tank/dp/B00067F1CE
Leaf you actually sound like a educated person unlike Jason. but one thing id like to point out is that revolutions come from the wide spread dissent with the ruling powers America is quite happy with its governmental style and without the dupport of the public no revolution can succeed (or at least not for very long)
(support not dupport)
That is true, but what shall the future bring I wonder? We are only shy of two months into the new administration, and already our President has pissed off our most powerful ally, and been laughed at by the Taliban. I would say that’s pretty serious. I cannot fathom a president that does not even hold a state dinner for Great Britain when they have supported us the most in the middle east. Nor can I imagine giving 25 worthless dvd’s to them when we have just received two priceless gifts. The return of a priceless statuette, that was given as a gift under the previous administration, is also unheard of. I sincerely hope that our laughable president can turn things around, though I am not sure at this point. Do you see now why I am a little skeptical a person?
Yes thats actually true you make a good point about America and great britain i was confused by Obamas move there as well so I can see why you are a little skeptical
Quite a discussion. Let me chime in with some of my own thoughts.
1) The military is composed of people - from the same states that are contemplating leaving the union, so as powerful as the military is, it would have to be deployed willingly.
2) I don’t believe most heavy armaments would be used now because general discontent and images of atrocities would hit a lot harder in the age of the internet.
3) Heterogeneity has never been an easy task - especially when those just starting to blend into the melting pot have a large voice. It creates a bit of chaos - the ability to survive that is/will be the real test.
4) Independent of a liberal agenda requiring more funds (in real world sense - resources) is the awakening of foreign powers demanding the same resources that we curently were monopolizing. India and China have emerging middle clases with buying power starting to approach that of the american middle class. In a fair world in which the US does not flex its deminishing power, the american public will have to compete for resources - something it never has had to do before (except against europe).
5) Liberal European nations will be hit as hard as the US. Since they are likely to small to break up - they will be torn apart by riots or will undergo stricter military rule.
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=france+riots&ei=UTF-8
http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/otherpolitics/display.var.2497173.0.Pension_crisis_riots_predicted_by_MP.php
6) While the US for a long time allowed the immigration of an underclass, scandanavian nations did not - they discriminated against non-nationals and still do allowing them to protect their interests. The US allowed the immigration of an underclass and by equalizing their rights, it has greatly increased the burden of sharing resources. Although this may have been the right thing to do, it has effectively removed the great appeal and splendor that was America for the white American.
Of course non-white Americans are better off now then they were at that time, but it may very well be at the cost of a continued unified nation. I am not trying to pass judgement, but merely speak to the limited resources of our planet and how we choose to share them. Just keep in mind that as the rest of the world climbs in power and as we give them equal respect, the sharing of resources will once again be stretched.
The issue than comes back as this - with so few resouces and so many people, can we continue to sustain a program of social welfare in which nonproductive members of society are kept afloat at the expense of those who can stay above water? It is like putting 11 people in a life boat that can only hold 8. It will sink with all people. Maybe it is worthwhile to cut the bottom 3 to save the many.
Just food for thought. Now that I am done with my rant, I will sleep. Thank you everybody - mainly Mr. Author.
Well said Chief.
Sorry but what benefits? how can the government afford to give people benefits when they only have 15% taxes its ridiculas and you say youre giving to many benefits to the bottom of society? maybe if you raised your minimum wage you wouldnt have this problem
“Although this may have been the right thing to do, it has effectively removed the great appeal and splendor that was America for the white American.”
sorry but that sounds a bit racist. Also America would not have gone through its boom without the immigration from european countries. Also:
“While the US for a long time allowed the immigration of an underclass, scandanavian nations did not - they discriminated against non-nationals and still do allowing them to protect their interests”
Sorry but wasnt america the first country in the world in the 20th century to introduce protectionism (the tarriffs of foreign goods) which was to oh how did the government put, to protect American interrests.
“Of course non-white Americans are better off now then they were at that time, but it may very well be at the cost of a continued unified nation”
Sorry but werent the first americans piligrims from britain then british govermental forces then irish scotish and welsh convicts then immigrants. America the first western Americans were a mixture of all the british isles, and some dutch and french. So how can you possibly say that you allowing non americans into the country is hurting you you dont have a national identity your national identity is sort of like a mongrel; mixed european countries (and some spanish who were thrown out into mexico)
“Maybe it is worthwhile to cut the bottom 3 to save the many.”
so your saying you should cut the bottom of society the hardest working toughest going and with the least services group of people to save the top the people who do nothing they write paper work make dodgy decisions and no mater how it affects their company get massive multi million dollar bonuses. If youy ask me its about time for revolution and for a role reversal. (i dont mind because im middle class and a switch of the social positions would put me from upper middle class to lower and i could still using my brain a thing Americans and i say all business men have forgotten how to use)
I don’t believe Chief was suggesting we cut the hardest working. The issue with America today is that people at the bottom no longer work hard. They often don’t have jobs, in fact, many of them are here illegally, and use false identities to sign up for social programs, just so they don’t have to work. If they do work, they do so “under the table” and don’t pay taxes so they are a drain on the bottom line without contributing financially. Those who start at the bottom and TRULY work hard, find their way out. America is still a land of great possibility for upward mobility. We have great social programs that are being hindered from helping those who need it, because they are being exploited by those who don’t. We offer free education in every city in America for those who want it, but that doesn’t mean it is easy. We certainly don’t need to be a nation that turns its back on the downtrodden, but its time to cut the LEACHES!!!!
“sorry but that sounds a bit racist” - that’s because what I said was 100% racist. If you think race is a non-existent thing and people have not and will not be treated differently than you are being ignorant. Most people have issue with discrimination based on race rather than pointing out historical differences between races and their treatment. i figured most people would take it at face value that being black in America in 1930 would be worse than being black now.
“Sorry but wasnt america the first country in the world in the 20th century to introduce protectionism (the tarriffs of foreign goods) which was to oh how did the government put, to protect American interrests.”
The flow of this statement is a bit off - first, protectionism existed well before the 20th century and if you mean the first country within the 20th century than that is a fairly limited statement. Examples of tariffs exist that predate the existence of the great United States of America. Also, “Tariffs” and “interests”have one ‘r’.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/126237/colonialism/25876/Colonies-from-northern-Europe-and-mercantilism-17th-century
“So how can you possibly say that you allowing non americans into the country is hurting you”
Wow, you are drawing a lot of conclusions in an illogical fashion. One, I am not white and am directly benefiting from an America that is more tolerant. I was not even born in this country. I at no time implied this was a bad thing - only that it may undo the benefits WHITE Americans enjoyed prior to desegregation. The very notion of that idea was to allow white Americans to benefit from their race. I was merely implying that integrated societies in which rights are equalized will still tend towards degeneration and intolerance. I don’t think people have it in them to overcome the adversity of integration. There is a sense of loss amongst white Americans and a sense of oppression by black America. Both are true and will cause people to act in ways that are against the greater good.
“so your saying you should cut the bottom of society the hardest working toughest going and with the least services group of people to save the top the people who do nothing”
Well, this is a matter of perspective. I would hardly consider hard working, tough Americans to be the bottom of society, but to each his own. I was against the bailout and would be fine to see the economic system undergo a partial collapse. I also wouldn’t stop an angry mob from burning down the house and dragging out those responsible - (though the police might). If people feel strongly about something, they will take a stand. The fact that they do not implies complacency. People forget what this nation was founded on and why we have a right to bear arms. There is nothing magical about the USA or any other nation. We have an obligation and duty to protect and defend our rights. The second amendment very well was a protection against a heavy handed and far reaching government.
I am not prejudiced in my actions here. I work in one of the areas most hard hit by the recession and with people who have little resources. The whole of my career thus far has been to serve those that have no health insurance and no other recourse for medical care. This was my choice and I do the best I can. I do not feel that the resources are there to carry out what people expect of the system. We live in a real world with real limitations. The more society begins to expect, the more we stress these resources. This stress is not just from the underclass in America exercising their power, but the emerging middle classes in India, China , the middle east and the far east. These people expect the same as those in the west. The question is, where are they going to get these resources?
“Treat everyone the same” will not happen, so how do you unequally distribute a limited resource?
Now that was a dignified response without any nasty mud slinging. And I would say I agree with it 100%.
“. Also, “Tariffs” and “interests”have one ‘r’.”
so i made a mistake you make mistakes as well
“ill not be treated differently than you are being ignorant.”
i think you mean then
i said in the 20th century not before countries have had tariffs for hundreds of years to stop countries they dont like profiting from them.
You realize actually in the constitution it says that as a country you have the write to bear arms. The right to bears arms as a country means have a military. God your constitution is more open for interpretation than the bible
Some one like a slave laborer in one of those nike sweat shops will work harder, longer and have a shorter life than the fat cats who will run the world.(just on your comment questioning the hard working bottom)
Also i completely agree it is impossible to treat everyone in the world the same, but the reason its impossible is because people are selfish and the richer you are the more respect you can buy.
Meant no offense with the spelling comment; however, some of the sentences would be easier to understand with punctuation. Breaking up the replies was a bit useful though.
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” The second amendment as text. As far as I can tell, this is a right of the People. The case of District of Columbia vs Heller settled this issue a long time ago.
Again, you misinterpret my notion of “bottom of society” and superimpose aristocratic perceptions of the “bottom of society”. I do not see factory workers, farm field workers, and the equivalent of the Indian untouchable castes to be the bottom of society. People who are unemployed, game the system to gain benefits and do not contribute productivity are the bottom of society in my eyes.
Also, where does this figure of 15% tax come from? We have a system of progressive taxation. Check on wikipedia and you are estimating half of what the government estimates it will collect (30.8%).
Also, I still do not understand the point of the tariffs comment. Why look only at the 20th century? From my understanding, many tariffs from prior remained in place at the turn of the century. Perhaps some elaboration would help.
Also, the federal bailout. Where is the money going? To pay bonuses to board members? To keep corrupt businesses afloat? One of the problems with capitalism is that it rewards ruthlessness, but a check on this is that those corrupt ruthless entities will be brought down by a shift in economic dynamics. Interfering to “save” these entities may soften the blow of an economic collapse, but at the expense of justice and fairness to the less corrupt, upstanding competitors. It teaches that you should blow your resources and let the tax payers take the fall.
If you bought a house you can not afford, deal with the consequences. Many people rent. Is it right that you get refinanced with their money because they were responsible?
In response to post#36 by “a person” if the U.S. constitution confuses you I would suggest studying the Bill of Rights. The Constitution gives our Government its authority while the Bill of Rights limits it by defining the individual rights of a U.S. citizen, ie: 1- freedom of speach, 2- the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed… (yes I know they are not complete) everyone should re-read them often.
If there would ever be a second Civil war it would be the people of the US against the government that has gone amuck. This country was founded on certain rights that are being taken away from us.
When the government regardless of what party is in control take the rights away from the people and throw away the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and adhere to radical groups that just want power at all cost then the people will fight back, they will do it fist with in there own states in a political revolt. If the federal government does not see or ignores the state governments or the state government supports the federal and not the people you will see an exodus of those states like we are starting to see now with California and New York. Once those states start limiting the exodus of there populist, the populist will revolt.
Some notes of my observations, I hope that this is wrong but this is just what I see happening. Fist most of the US arms forces are conservative which is not the orientation of our government current and previous. Obama and McCain would take the country in the same direction one a little faster then the other. Now with the US military 90% conservative they would side with the people not the government if marshal-law was enforced. Now to my point.
1. First you control movement of the populist, how you do that is by driving fuel cost high “$4.00 to $5.00 gallon” and limiting the amount of money people have to spend. Higher taxes, capping salaries, more people on welfare, and high unemployment. Civil unrest also comes with high unemployment.
2. Next you limit communication. You have the attack against the first amendment with Political Correctness and every political group demonizing any one with an opposing view and the enforcing of a farness doctrine that affect the internet, BLOGS like this one, TV, and radio.
3. A national police force that equals the US military and are educated by socialist groups like acorn. Obama has talk of going in to Somalia to get rid of the pirates and is sending more troops to Afghanistan and event talk of Pakastan. This would keep our troops out of America and over seas so they cant fight against the government and use there police force to enforce the federal views.
4. limit the capability for the populist to fight back but regulating guns. I’m all for back ground check but not for out right gun control or even the 500% tax on guns and ammunition. This only stops law abiding citizen from getting them not criminals. Also you see a hole lot of our gun in Mexico BS. They get most of there guns from Venezuela not the US and most of the US guns are old Vietnam leftovers the where stolen and sold on the black market.
5. Criticizing and calling anyone that does not have like minds set at the government or those special interest groups, terrorist and racists. Acorn, the ACLU, Huffington Post, and more.
Like I said I hope this is not true.
I agree with most of you observations, but the military is sounded out in boot camp to find the truly hard-core obey any order recruits who they can count on to fire on civilions. There are more of them than you realize.
Do not forget the vets here at home, they have buddies stateside training at the bases who will help supply the citizen soldiers and defend the constitution, that is a part of the oath they took.
a person u make a valid point i mean who wouldnt be frightned by the us military
a person u make a valid point but im still confused on ur position on the matter of the ”coming civil war cause if you ask me its a bunch of bull that guy seems like a wack job to me
a person u make a valid point but im still confused on ur position on the matter of the ”coming civil war” cause if you ask me its a bunch of bull that guy seems like a wack job to me
person#1 wat r u 13 cause u act like u r
Blank, please don’t bring ignorant and derogatory comments to this discussion. That’s a true sign of immaturity.
Elliot, have you ever been in the military? The reason I ask is because I don’t remember them brainwashing people like that when I was in boot. I don’t know anyone that I was in the Marines with that would have fired on civilians even if they were ordered to.
Militarily speaking, yes, the US forces will be sent internationally abroad so that a coup will not be possible when the totalitarian US government makes their move against US citizens. I highly doubt a militarized police force will enforce any marshal law or federal orders. Take hurricane Katrina for example, those police ran like scared little kids. Either way, military or police force, they are US citizens too and will side with a majority rebellion. So, what would be the best way to get control of US citizens? Hire Chinese or Russian militants to be based and trained in the US for such a Federal offensive on the people. For another example, I hear the word is that Russian militants are training in the northern states of the US when or if the CIFTA treaty, introduced by IANSA in the UN (backed by the Rockefellers of course, is passed and signed by President Obama; in which I hear is on the table this year. So, Civil war anyone? I’d like a piece, thank you.
Leaf, read my post again. “sounded out” is much differant than “brainwashing.” The military leadership is looking for those who are predisposed to follow orders even if it means breaking the law. I am glad to hear you and your fellow Marines would not/will not fire on citizens after all, anyone who is defending our constitution is on the same side.
I never served in the military, I let a woman talk me out of it . The woman is gone but not the regret.
To Elliott,
If you are not talking from first hand experience, where is your source? I would love to know where you recieved this information…
As a fairly recent US veteran, I can state with flat out confidence that there is no ’sounding out’ in boot. Trust me, the only ones that get the ‘out’ are the ones that can’t handle the rigors of war physically, or more often, psychologically. With no offense intended, I am always tickled when I read statements like that. Those who have never served tend to see boot camp, and the military as a whole sometimes, as this mysterious, alien world. Trust me, boot camp is simple - the instructors find the -very few- individuals who will not cut it (i.e. get themselves killed or others killed first time out) and send them home, and to prepare the rest for operations so they can save themselves and others. There are no dogmatic pro-government brainwashing sessions, no rooting out the liberals and keeping the conservatives, etc. I am talking as a vet - your strictest source. If you still want to argue it, well, so be it…
As to Chief - bravo. Can’t put it any better myself. I definately hope the Author’s article is wrong in it’s conclusions (I am quite skeptical myself). However, my spider-sense has been tingling for quite a while (hence why I’m researching everyone elses thoughts on the future by searching sites like these : / ). Let’s all hope that the elected officials pull their heads out of their collective behinds. If not, well, we’ll see….
Josh - Very well said.
Elliot - Your quote, “The military leadership is looking for those who are predisposed to follow orders even if it means breaking the law.”, is possibly the most idiotic statement I have ever read. You stated that you have never been in the military, so you have absolutely no idea, just conspiracy theories, on how the military operates. Here’s some advice for you, lay off the movies and stick to reality.
Bill Clintion with the housing and reinvestment act set the demise in place, Obama and ACORN used it to force banks into making sub prime loans, Fannie and Freddy promoted and drove these type of loans and caused the financial crisis. As far back as 2003 hearings were being held to attempt to stop the disaster before it was to late but Barny and Pelosi stopped the administration at every turn, this is all archived on CSPAN. Then with the help of ACORN and voter fraud Obama is put in office and proceeds to quadruple the national debt in 5 months, is attempting to pass an enormous health care plan that will further put the country in debt, is attempting to pass CAP AND TRADE that will further destroy the economy, and he is printing money like a counterfeit. He with whom ever is behind the black curtain is destroying the country and the world economy. I believe we are about to see the most hated man in America very soon.
@George - That pretty much sums it up for now. I agree. I believe Obama will become the most hated man, not only in America, but amongst out allies as well.
There are just so many things wrong with with what Leaf, George and Josh have said. Where to begin there are just so many things. Ok i havnt been on in a while so lets start with Josh on June 24th, 2009
as a soldier you wouldnt know if you were brainwashed that would defeat the purpose of the brainwashing if the person is aware of the fact theyve been brainwashed then it wouldnt work now would it? Also if you cant follow orders then no matter how good you are as a fighter you wont make it that actualy underlines a major flaw in military systems as Generals are all ex soldiers who arent taut to think uniquely or specially they are taut to think like the crowd like everyone else. Military think has only changed in the last 1000 or so years from the world wars. Ok thats a bit off topic but again as for sounding out how many homosexuals have been kicked out of the military that descrimination and anti constotutional also its the stupidest thing i have ever heard.
Again when people say military brainwashes people I dont mean that they brainwash soldiers to vote for a specific partieslike Dem or Rep but they are brainwashed into things like thinking the USA is always right in all wars or to follow orders without question.
Leaf on June 24th, 2009
Well have you ever been in the military and just to show how stupid your comment is let me just give you some facts this might take a while
August 6 and August 9, 1945 nuclear bombs Fat man and little boy dropped on Japan one of the greatest mass murders in history and also a genocide.
Aushwitz (and alot of others) and the death of 6 million Jews disabled homosexuals and blacks
Breaker Morant and the Bushveladt Carbineers ordered to take no prisoners
Iraq and the killing of thousands of civilians (there werent any Al Queda in Iraq)there were so many breaches of the geniva convention there
Israels invasion of Palestine (all of them) and expansion into the west bank
Americas invasion of the Spanish empire (Philippines, Guam, Mexico, Hawaii, Alaska) all against the constitution
Guantanamo bay (everyone of the republicans and the tortures should be exicuted including Geroge Bush and Dick Cheney)
The American Civil War was unconstitutional the states were legally aloud to leave to USA
You honestly dont think that the US didnt have death and torture camp in world war 2 like Germany and Japan
Just a second this might take a minute the CIA in (ah I cant be bothered to write all of them out) but almost all of South America, where America stopped all of the communist revolution and replaced them with alot worse facist dictators
Cuba: almost 600 attempts on Castros life, the bay of pigs, huge anti communist attacks all of the world.
Sacco and Vanzetti exucted despite no evidence because they were anarchists and the Government needed scape goats
Gays excluded from the military using dont ask dont tell policies.
And I do stick to reality my grandpa was an Australian Hero in world war 2 he also fought in Korea Vietnam and was a sergent major. My Dad went to boot camp and was in the reserves, and guess what so have I unfortunatly I am to unique to be in the army I dont like being shouted at alot.
George on June 26th, 2009
Have you ever heard of the Great Depression guess how they got out of that they spent and spent and spent some more. Also if your gonna pull the crap about world war 2 ending the great depression not FDR well guess what a war is its spending spending and spending some more and eventualy confidnece was restored by the constant spending. The depression would have been a lot less great if Hoover (ie the biggest retard in history) had actually done anything. Confidence needs to be restored if the economy is going to be restored and if a government dosnt have confidence in there own country why would the people trust it
Leaf on June 26th, 2009
WHY???? Accept it the republicans are in a minority now so to bad and how is Obama’s policies gonna ruin the country you havnt proved anything or even made a point, at all.
a person, if I felt like listening to left wing propaganda, I’d watch Whale Wars.
As an educated man (MFA Oxford), I have spent most of my university career around liberal nutjobs such as yourself. The democratic party has “brainwashed” (as you put it) idiots like you for so long, that you actually believe the crap that they’re saying.
The very first comment you made proves to me that you aren’t ready for intelligent debate. You honestly sound like a conspiracy theorist quack. The rest of your rant loses all credibility and doesn’t warrant the time it took me to read it, much less reply. To think, all this time, I actually thought you to be an intellectual.
I believe that Civil War has already started. Its sad but true. The very essence or our country is under attack and at risk of being defeated. It may not be a war of guns and knives (YET) but none the less we Americans are loosing. There is enough blame to spread around: politicians, educators, big business….., the point is everyone needs to stop and consider what has made the United States of America Great. It was that the sovereignty of the USA lay with the people. Not the President, Not the speaker of the House, not any elected official. Our leaders have become arrogant, self serving, and prideful. They no longer serve the people. Instead they serve their lust for power and money. Our current administration is rushing us to destruction. If I could have devised a plan to destroy the United States, I could not have conceived a more brilliant and perfect plan than the one that is being executed this day. Taking away our rights little by little, Cap and Trade, Gun Control, Taxes Taxes Taxes. The Constitution was not intended to be open for interpretation by those who want to twist it for their gain. It was written so all Americans could read it for themselves. When will the Patriots of America finally stand and say enough is enough. Maybe we all should read our declaration of Independence and take to heart what it really means.
Leaf on June 30th, 2009
Wow wow wow wow I am just astounded by your stupidity. do you know what you just said? you said “im not even doing to justify that with an answer”
People who say that cant think of an answer and then just stop listening your just another immature debater like almost everyone who claims they win the argument because they stop listening
Your only real point was that you spend your life around liberal nut jobs. No you dont because there aren’t any liberal nut jobs anymore. There are fairly strong minded liberals but a liberal extremist is Mao, or Stalin. But also guess what there are alot more extremist conservatives even now a days like all those gun totting maniacs in the south and central america. However name one actually extreme liberal.
I am an independent and guess what I grew up in Australia and for 11 years of my life there was a conservative government trying to change it to be like America and so my education is completely conservative school system not only that but i also went to a strong christian primary and secondary schools yet im still pro change
By the way Oxford? Yeh right I highly doubt it.
Again I believe nothing of what politicians say unless I have other information. and again “WHY???? Accept it the republicans are in a minority now so to bad and how is Obama’s policies gonna ruin the country you havnt proved anything or even made a point, at all.”
Military Officer on June 30th, 2009
Okay so Obama’s changes are destroying the country and he’s restricting freedoms to take over the country or whatever. So then why didn’t i here conservatives raise these points when George Bush passed the patriot act it is completely unconstitutional or recently when that guy I cant remember his name, passed the act to allow guns into bars you do realise that this is forcing private establishments to do something the government wants same with not allowing guns in plains.
You obviously didn’t learn how to spell at your “completely conservative school system”. Pity. As I stated before, I was looking for intelligent debate, yet as a liberal you cannot help slinging insults in defense of yourself. Mild though they may be.
I hold an MFA from Oxford as I stated before. I don’t know why that is so hard to believe.
“Your only real point was that you spend your life around liberal nut jobs. No you dont because there aren’t any liberal nut jobs anymore”
May I present to you Al Franken, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Barry Soetoro, Charlie Rangel… I can go on and on.
LOL. Liberals are always so quick to resort to namecalling and mudslinging. Conservatives just call people liberals.
Its pretty common (for me at least) to end up in an argument with a liberal about some social issue, and here is how the arugment tends to go:
Liberal: We need to fix this social issue
Conservative: Ok, I agree, that is terrible and should be fixed, but who is going to pay for it?
Liberal: You are just an $ss#ole
End of conversation.
This isn’t always the case, there are some good liberals out there (if that statement even makes sense).
And nut job liberals, sounds like a matter of opinion, not fact (to be far at least). I agree with Leaf’s opinion.
Hahaha Ferdie. That pretty much sums it up.
Um……. (extremely slowly as if talking to a child) your the one who is insulting me at the moment you realise… I gave an informed argument and your response is your to childish to argue with so…. your kinda stupid arnt you? In “oxford” you were never in a debating class were you. You do realise that your saying that Im childish for calling you stupid and then you went and said.
You obviously didn’t learn how to spell at your “completely conservative school system”.
That is terrible mudslinging what has that even got to do with this argument. I actually have a life so i write my comments while watchin tv and i dont spell check because I dont have time or put it in word. Seriously what has spelling got to do with this. God your being childish then calling me childish.
Leaf on July 16th, 2009 8:58 pm
May I present to you Al Franken, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Barry Soetoro, Charlie Rangel… I can go on and on.
Um…………………. How are they nut jobs? just saying that their nut jobs isnt enough.
You know what ive seen the democratic politicians are presenting resonable rational arguments and not resorting to smear tactics. While do you know what Ive seen of Republicans? every time they have a hard question they go communism!!! run come to us communnism!!!
Ferdie Ray on July 16th
Who are you talking to 5 year olds? This is how my conversations go with conservative yet reasonable people. There are two versions one of them is yours.
Liberal: We need to fix this social issue
Conservative: Ok, I agree, that is terrible and should be fixed, but who is going to pay for it?
Liberal: Well we can raise taxes or put small restrictions on big bussiness
Conservative: Communist!!!!!!! Socialist!!!!!! evil dictator you want to take over the country take away our guns!!!! Hitler! Mussolini! Stalin! Marx!
Or
Liberal: We need to fix this social issue
Conservative: Or we can forget because were being bribed by these big companies and therefore global warming doesnt exist and healthcare reform is communist
Liberal: But….
Conservative: Communist!!!!!!! Socialist!!!!!! evil dictator you want to take over the country take away our guns!!!! Hitler! Mussolini! Stalin! Marx! Communist!!!!
and dont say im wrong because i watched the American election and the Republicans only tactic was saying that Obama would destroy the country and calling him socialist.
Also just a interesting fact something I find really funny is that republicans started calling Obama Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin. People call Liberals communists because communists are pro change but Hitler and Mussolini where facists which is anti change and Republicans are anti change. Not only that but Hitler and Mussolini with Tojo signed an anti communist pact against the USSR because they thought liberals were evil so really Dems if they wanted to could use the same tactics and call the GOP Facists and Hitler or Mussolini or Tojo ect
Not only is obama a fascist a marxist , communist, liar,murderer, thief but most of all he is a terrific liar and those who do not see through his schemes are blind, stupid even worse as evil as he is. Names have not even been invented yet for the crap this asshole is about to bring upon us. Blood will flow because of what he will do to the USA and it will not bother him in the least. Those doing his bidding will be the equal of Hitler’s minions who murdered their way across Europe and would have happily covered the rest of the world with blood all the while claiming they were cleansing the earth of some sort of rubbish. Think about this quote from Obama “We need a civilian defense force as well funded as well armed as the U S military” ask yourself who we is? and then ask yourself why would we need such a thing, I certainly do not need one do you?
Look up the word liberal and conservative. A conservative is a person who likes the current form of government and laws, and a liberal is a person who wants to change it (may it better or worse). So being liberal isn’t always a bad thing, but being a conservative at this current time is. you need to learn more about your words before you say them or you could be insulting a liberal who can really change our country for the better.
And yes I will add to the topic about race it does matter. look around you in cities that have a high percentage of African Americans the crime rate is at least 5x higher than places that are majoratively white. Trust me I know this as a fact because I live near Norfolk VA and you can see the damage done by ethnic minorities. 50 years ago in the same city my parents tell me there was nearly any trouble, the city was 90% white. Then you could happily go shopping or walk in public without worry. NOW you have to worry about the gangs, the guettos, and all the thugs that would kill you just to get the $5 in your pocket.
So to say that race doesn’t matter is the most uninteligent multiculturalist thing to say.
dan your an idiot arent you either that or youre just saying that to annoy poeple
There you go again ‘a person’. You really can’t help yourself can you? You dish out insults almost as freely as you do the bullshit you’ve told on this site.
Dan was right that Soetoro is a Marxist, Communist, liar and thief. Calling him a murderer is a slippery slope, even if he was referring to his support of partial birth abortions. Dan was also right about Soetoro being a “terrific liar”. He is so good that the only way you can tell Soetoro is lying is looking to see if his lips are moving. If they are, you can bet money he is lying.
Liberal: We need to fix this social issue.
Conservative: Ok, who’s going to pay for it?
Liberal: We’ll raise taxes on the working.
Conservative: Well friend, that borders on Socialism.
Liberal: RACIST!
Let’s restart this conversation from the basics. The American Declaration of Independence states that all men, meaning individuals members of mankind, are endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights. citing life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as being among such inalienable rights. The framers of the the Constitution, based on this belief that human rights are God-given and reside with the people, implemented a document that was meant to specifically limit the powers of the U.S. federal government to those enumerated in the Constitution and to preserve all other powers to the states and to the people residing in those states. Because the first Congress understood that government is by by its very nature the enemy of liberty, they reinforced the principle that the rights of the people are not granted by the government to the people of America, but belong inherently to the people themselves. To reinforce that principle and to further constrain the government, the first ten amendments to the Constitution, called The Bill of Rights, were passed addressing some of the most fundamental rights of man. To ensure that the guarantee against government intrusion on rights justly belonging to the people of the United States would not be abridged by the federal government, the 10th Amendment states that “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” In other words, the protected rights of the people were not limited to those iterated in the first nine amendments, but included all rights not specifically granted to the United States Government or to the states by the original, unamended text. Unfortunately, the U.S. federal government and government in general have done the thing that the framers feared until government now intrudes into every aspect of American existence and the states are left with little or no power. This is the source of our current dilemma. It doesn;t matter whether you believe in a god or not. A just society can only be founded on the fundamental principle that rights belong inherently and equally to every individual human being in that society and that they are not derived from any government., must not be abridged by any government and must perpetually be guarded against offenses by governments.
But this was written when immigration wasn’t an issue. Not to mention the word “ghetto” wasn’t even around back then.
Basically what you’re saying Liberty One, and please correct me is I am misunderstanding you, is that neither the federal Government is overstepping its boundaries and the state governments are too chicken shit to call them on it, so it is now up to the people to take a stand.
If that’s what you’re saying, I totally agree. I believe the problem, however, is that most people fear a backlash from the federal government, and will begin to conform to their tyrannical socialist agenda rather than risk losing a civil war against said government and being labeled as traitors or domestic terrorists.
In the end, it all depends on how bad the situation in the government gets, and how fed up the people become because of it.
Forgive the typos. It is 3:20 am and I am blaming my insomnia.
I’m certainly not calling for civil war, Leaf, or even civil disobedience for that matter. The first isn’t possible and neither would yield the desired result: a return of the nation to the basic principles upon which it was founded. Remember this, the Founding Fathers gave us a constitutional republic with limited democracy. not “a democracy”. They also gave us a constitution designed to protect the rights and freedoms for which they had risked everything. Ironically, it has been the least democratic branch of the U.S. Federal Government, the Judicial, that has, often in the name of democracy, been most responsible for the erosion of our rights. Activist judges, acting in behalf of a radical social and political ideology, have issued decrees inconsistent with and contrary to the Constitution. They have failed to uphold the 10th Amendment, reducing states to powerless vassals of the U.S. Federal Government. They have corrupted the very Constitution that they swore to protect. The Congress for its part has failed utterly to perform its Constitutional duty of imposing checks and balances on the Federal judiciary. Those that we have elected to represent us from both major parties have been too busy feathering their owns nests and playing partisan games designed to sustain the members in power. But the Constitution provides the weapons we need to take back our government. The first is education. There’s a reason that they don’t teach history or civics in our schools anymore. The second is at the ballot box. Maybe its time that Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians and all others who are willing to affirm their active support of strict constitutional constructionism and to subordinate their personal interests to those of the American people come together as a new political entity, leaving the old discredited parties to the radicals and ultras of whatever stripe. Does anyone really believe that the Republican or Democrat parties are relevant any more?
The fight over judicial activism has been going on in the Congress, with both defeat and victory. The failure to confirm Robert Bork was a serious defeat. The confirmations of Justices John Roberts and Samuel Alito were major victories. Don’t expect any constructionists judges to be appointed by the current administration. Real progress will require a realignment of the parties as I suggested above.
What can you do to be a soldier in this fight. Spread the word Talk to your friends. Attend political meetings and speak the truth. Spread the truth on the internet. Vote. Forget political parties. Cast your vote for the candidate that demonstrates that he or she is a supporter of the Constitution. If an incumbent member of Congress or Senator hasn’t shown that he or she is truly dedicated to protect and defend the Constitution, that he or she has done their job, vote against them. In this constitutional republic, nothing is as powerful as an aroused electorate.
If you would like to read more on how activist judges have hijghjacked our republic, I suggest that you read “Coercing Virtue” by Robert H. Bork.
I’m sorry, Wolvian, but I don’t see the connection between my comments on the Constitution and your reference to immigration. I assume that you are talking about the fact the the U.S. Federal government has refused to control our borders and that people from other countries continuously stream into the United States illegally. Many come for economic opportunity, some undoubtedly have more sinister motives. Just for the record, I strongly advocate for tight control of the U.S. border and the speedy return of all who are here illegally to the place from whence they came. If I’ve missed your point, please explain further.
dan on July 22nd, 2009 8:20 pm
um you do realise there is already a civilian task force its called the national guard it is controled solly by the state and the people of the state.
Leaf on July 23rd, 2009
what i said was true this person is just yelling a bunch of insults and your saying hes right.
Texas Conservative on July 25th,
Ur?? what? so far Obama hasnt pulled the race card in issues like that. And the only people i hear acuusing others of racism are you guessed it the republicans for example Sotomayor is racist and apparently Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people can you guess who said those can you it wasnt the dems if you were wondering.
Liberty One on July 25th,
But it was Bush who took away these rights the republicans not the Democrats and according to constutional law Bush and almost all the republican party and the supreme court commited high treason and should be executed.
Here is a list of other people who legally in america should have been executed for high treason and surprise suprise there all Republicans (with one exception)
Ronald Reagan, High Treason (although its hard to prove) attempted murder
Oliver North, High Treason support of torture ect
Richard Nixon, High Treason, fraud, attempted murder, black mail, bribery
Geroge Bush Jr, Human rights Violations, torture, illegal invasion of another country, high treason, changing the constitution, full violation of the costitution,penalty death
Dick Cheney murder, torture nothing new for Dick
Every Supreme court Justice that passed the patriot act, Every congressman who voted for it and anyone who supported it in any offical way, high treason penalty death.
and funnily enough every president and vice president dem and rep alike 648 charges of attempted murder on Fidel Castro and the illegal assasinations of hundred of commies around the world enough for life imprissonment and in some cases death
Also FDR and Hoover for the un contitutional expansion of american control to Guam Phillippnines Hawaii Alaska ect
Abraham Lincoln for the illegal civil war
and all your southern states illegally taken from spain and mexico in my mind you have about 4 presidents who arnt sentenced to death George Washington (and i have my doubts) Obama, and two guys who i cant remeber the name of. oh and guess what penalty there is for these crimes and the continuing crime of kepping them oh its death.
HALF OF AMERICA BELONGS TO MEXICO THEIR THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE RICH OF THE OIL GIVE IT BACK YOU FACISTS FREEDOM SUPRESSING AMERICANS YOUR ONE OF THE LEAST DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.
woops i meant not one exception i meant with a few exceptions
a person- Your “list” of people you think should be executed are/were all American patriots, and have all served their country well. What have you done, other than bitch about how much you hate this country? GET OUT if you hate it that much. It is that simple. Everything you have stated is your OPINION. None of it is fact.
Obama DID pull the race card, and he did so blatantly with the Gates fiasco. Obama had no business, as President, getting involved with that. Especially when he admittedly didn’t know what he was talking about to begin with.
The National Guard is not SOLELY the responsibility of the state. The NG answers to both the state and federal governments. The NG can be deployed overseas in support of combat missions as well. The Guard is no less important than any other branch of the military, and I dare you to tell a National Guardsman otherwise. Once again this proves you know absolutely nothing about the armed forces.
You have as much right as anyone to say anything you want, no matter how disgusting it makes you sound ‘a person’, yet I would recommend keeping your anonymity on the internet when expressing your OPINIONS. It could be unhealthy for you if you voiced your OPINIONS and hatred of this country, as you do so commonly on here, out loud in the wrong venue.
By the way, if you want to start labeling people as murderers, I suggest you take a good hard look at the Clintons. You seem to have missed that one. I’m guessing because it doesn’t suit your extreme left wing agenda.
What???? your realy stupided arnt you. An argument is an opinion theres nothing that is completly solid fact eveything you arguement is also an opinion. And the state has more control over the national guard than the federal government the whole point of the national guard is to stop the federal government from taking over which is stupid.
alo if you take more than two seconds to think then youll realise i included clinton as they also tried to kill Castro and the gulf war i forgot to mention that however i did put ect which means there are more and notice that i included left winger because there a no true american left winger even obamas pretty mild. The USA has a choice between extreme right (facist) republicans or pretty middle left wingers (apparently thats communism) Democrats even though you fail to realise because i seriously believe that you sir have mental problems making you incapable to reason at all, also have conservatives and the republicans also have liberals in their respective ranks.
Just because someone is dem dosnt make them left there are plenty of consevative dems who hold obama back the same goes for republicans. And i conclude that you sir are not very inteligent as you fail to even grasp the meaning of a debate or argument.
Also i dont live in America you retard as i have said a thousand times and unless i was making 200,000 a year i wouldnt want because of your health care and your guns.
Haha, yeah… I must be the one that is “realy stupided”.
Since you’re Australian, and have absolutely no grasp of the American political system, political parties, or military, you should stay away from this topic. Don’t believe much of what you hear on your socialist Aussie news stations either. I spent plenty of time listening to that rubbish when I was working in Bali, and they have no grasp of American politics at all.
BTW, punctuation is a neat concept. You should look into it.
Yeah you must have no life I write my comments quickly and only put thought into the argument, and writing that 10 minutes after what ive written. “BTW” what has my spelling and punctuation got to do with my argument. I could write it like this and it would still have merit,
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Ah bali isnt part of australia a so im not sure what news you were watching also im not living in Australia in fact funnily enough im living in China. Go ahead call me communist. But first a few years back I lived in the Phillipines and it is even more capatilist than America I knew people there who i would never meet anywhere else; millionaires and a couple i reckon will become billionaires.
The way i get my news is by reading on the web from several different countries, usually Chinese, Australian and American news.
All my life i have fought FOR americans every time i heard a racist comment about you i defended you saying its not americans who are stupid its the government but talking to you i started to agree with the racists luckily i have recently visited America and the people where very nice although i was in calafornia and maybe their to commie to be Americans what with being the richest state in America and all.
Also i regularly watch Fox and CNN while CNN isnt that bad fox is absolute rubbish complete BS. The only liberal media i can find in all of America is The dailyshow by John Stewart and the Colbert Report by Stephen Colbert while they are comedy shows they have good and intelligent observations that cut strait to the heart of the matter and they critisise both republicans and Democrats.
One more thing Austrlian news is rubbish!!?? Have you ever watched American news at least austrlian news is neutral. (prove it name austrlian media channels)
Wait what do you mean socialist news? America always claims to be the leader of the free world but Australia, New Zealand are probably the leaders. America is more like the slow weezy fat fat kid at the back of the race with saudi arabia and china.
Now i would like nothing more than to leave it at that and let splutter indignantly at this comment making a fool of yourself but i wont. My reasoning is;
Europe freed its slaves making slavery illegal no wars were required just lots of political debate. almost 200 years later the USA did the same with a massivley bloody war.
Rome formed the first democracy and Britain formed the next it took the USA another 1000 years (i know long shot but i cant help it your just so pompous about your democracy)
Newzealand became the first country to give Women equal rights then Austrlia then most of Europe followed after WW1 it took the USA another 20 years to follow.
New Zealand became the first country to give black people and natives full rights then Europe America didnt do the same until the 1960s only a few years earlier than South African apartheid unfortunatly something im no proud of Australia didnt pass laws to give land back the the aboriginies or give full rights until the 1970s
technically we gave them rights before America but they were still openly discriminated until the 70s.
Also one last thing Australia New Zealand everyone can vote from a drugo to a billionaire in fact legally you have to in America you need to register to vote. You have cut a large percentage of your voters out because they cant vote so think about it whos more free really?
Ya’ll are nuts.
You live in the greatest nation on earth. If you don’t believe me , I’ll buy you a one way ticket to the nation of your choice. Only catch is you have to agree never to return here. I am AMERICAN , period. No hyphen , ya dopes. Ethnically I am
Chickasaw and Pamunky - and to me that’s still AMERICAN. I’m sure you stupidiots can’t understand why I am not defending my INDIAN roots , getting all teary eyed and sappy. How many of you stups out there have ever been on a reservation? Oh, hell , you can go there and try to get in (if you dare) and if you were able to , have a look around so you can feel sorry for everyone. Then go back to your safe havens and think about how terrible it was - promise yourself to do something… later.
How dare you degenerates , who think you know everything without ever being there, declare that this country is unfair. ARE YOU REALLY THAT F—ING CAUGHT UP IN YOURSELVES? The rights you have and I have ,are incredibly precious. Oh, and by the way , this nation was given to us as a Republic - not a “dimocracy”. Those of you who can spell will understand the implication there.
There is nothing in the WORLD more rare than being able to do what you know you can do , or at least give it a try. There is no other country in the world that allows that - like the AMERICA. Ya’ll nuts piss me off because you don’t understand the blessing you have here. All’s you do is complain about it.
Stop complaining and get off of your lazy government entitlement asses.
Get off your h-y-p-h-e-n-a-t-e-d head trips. The world is at your fingertips.
WHY are you kooks so willing to give it up?
Unfortunately, regardless of who is president or who is in the senate or house, major social and political change is in the wind.
History has a way of telling us what to expect in the future. It is littered with the stories of fallen empires (the Romans, The Greeks, The Nazi’s, the Mayan’s, Soviet Union, just to name a few) and it would be complete arrogance to believe the United States is immune from this. History has a tendency to repeat itself and just because we had a civil war 150 years ago does not mean it won’t happen again. Will it happen as soon as or how it is described above? Who knows. The point is, it will happen.
sandy on August 28th
im not sure what your point is i heard you say (this is just what i heard) that the USA discriminates against natives and Americans think its bad but cant be bothered the do anything.
BTW you claim to be a native american why are you saying Ya’ll and stupidiot like a texan or something go get an education.
John on September 6th
I find this very funny everyone has been talking about completly seperate issues like discrimination and healthcare ect and finally someone talks about what the article is really about.
I believe that both George Bush and Bill Clinton set the wheels in motion for a civil war. Conservatives like myself, detest Obama, and not because he is black. I would have loved to have had Condi Rice run for prez. I’d have voted for her in a flash.
The issue is the percieved errosion of conservatives rights by the left. Whether conservative’s rights are actually being erroded or not is not the issue, it is the perception by conservatives that our rights are being taken from us, bit by bit.
This perceived loss of our rights and perceived attacks on our religious beliefs, will be the catal;yst for a separation.
Either there is a peaceful separation of the US into two countries, separating the conservative former states of the Confederacy from the US as a conservative, Judeo-Christian country, or there will be a violent and blody civil war that will end in the same result. The US will continue to exist, with the lion’s share of the territory, but it will exist as a socialist country. The nation forged out of the former states of the Confederacy, with a different name and constitution from the CSA, will be a counterweight to the US. It will be a conservative, capitalist, Judeo-Christian country, very states rights oriented. It could serve as a safety valve for the socialistic United States, since malcontents could be deported to the “other” American country.
I also can see Spain fragmenting in the not too distant future into a Catalan nation state, and a Basque nation state. Probably after the death of King Juan Carlos. It is also not far fetched to consider that Scotland could separtate from the English crown, no longer being part of the United Kingdom. Scotland has its own parliamewnt, and the Scots are becoming more nationalistic. It is also possible that Canada might split into two countries, one French speaking, and the other English speaking. Russsia itself has pressures from the Islamic parts of the country, so it too could eventually fragment.
you can say all the what ifs you want but that doesnt mean its going to happen 120 years ago the conservatives thought the same and tried to separate from America since in the constitution it says states are legally aloud to leave the republic and you fought a massive bloody war to stop it. the same thing happened in spain before ww2 and Italy during ww2.The problem with your theory is that no one is content taking half a country they always want the whole country again illustrated by Italy before ww2 in modern day ethiopia then abyssinia. Rebels who actually have merit always want the whole country if they dont it means they dont have enough power to take the whole country. Russia is massively powerful and will never part so long as the military is loyal to the government
This comment will probably get worldhistory.org banned in China but i have to say this. China is becoming ridiculously paranoid as the world expo closens they have banned hundred of websites and pictures seemingly at random from the internet ranging from facebook to websites about the end of the cold war. After the riots in Urumqi (north western china) the government has been restricting web acess and foreign journalists. Let me point out some facts on what happened there were riots in the city of Urumqi which were then put down by the police (around 300 people were killed) within a day the government closed websites like facebook and twitter and cutting of web acess to that area of China. This is my theory after the riots in which the vigurs killed maybe 50 people the police came through and brutally murdered with the help of the Han chinese around 250 vigurs. the Chinese news that day reported nothing but propoganda on that province talking about how much china has helped them. As foreign journalists began to be able to get the truth China instantly closed down the right of the journalists to be there. Just a few weeks later the government suddenly annouces that the vigurs have attacked the han chinese again this time using vicous needle attacks with which they injected people with chemicals and such. This was completly fictional these attacks probably didnt even happen and if they did they were orcastrated by the Chinese government to make people dislike the vigurs and make them look like extremists.
This is probaly my last post on these blogs and i just wish to say goodbye until i move back to a free western country (i may like communism but i think more can be achieved through the truth)
Good bye worldhistory.org its been a blast
Editor,
I am a 28 year old male. I grew up in poverty (The hood). I was raised by a drug dealing and abusive sociopathic step-father. I later grew up and made tons of mistakes on my own! I learned throughout my trials that something was wrong, and not just with me (LOL)! I am a disabled veteran and I joined the military to stay out of prison and to do something noble for my country at the age of 18. I love my nation and I believe that there are many wonderful people that live within it’s borders and they come from all; sides, nationalities, religions, and political parties/affiliations. I have also read my whole life and haven’t stopped (although I sometimes do the audio book thing because of how busy I am in other aspects of my life). I also volunteer with local interurban park and gardening projects to help our local communities to stop relying on grocery stores for their produce. I have read the majority of the statements made on this web page. I understand the fight and as Talib Qweli said “The beautiful struggle”.
What we are heading for is a definite change. If you look at the history of; revolutions, civil wars, and uprisings they are all the answer to a larger formula which this nation is headed for. Growing up the way I did I saw a lot of very bad things. I also did some bad things. I have learned firsthand that when people start to feel like they have nothing to lose is when they start fighting back. I have seen this occur on a smaller scale. Now our nation is about to have this happen on a larger scale! When you take away the ability to take care of families, healthcare, keep jobs, rent a home, purchase a home, and put food in their mouths they will Rise up! This is just a historical fact! On top of these problems that our people face are just made worse with their credit situation. Now people are destroying their credit at a phenomenal rate. This just compounds the rest of their problems, like their credit cards that compound there interest. The day that people start losing the majority of their families to; hunger, poverty, violence, addictions, and so on they will eventually feel like they have nothing to lose. This formula is about to be completed with the degradation of society that we are currently witnessing. People have lost their trust in their; Media, government, legal system, and each other. We are on the verge of something big and I hope that it stays Non-violent. I pray for us all the time and I hope that something stops this cancerous disintegration of our country before it’s too late!
Editor,
I also must remind everyone that our founding father were considered terrorists by brittain. Our forefathers also put everything else aside to focus on Nation building (Which we call U.S. now) Although our forefathers were far from perfect and had many addictions as well as evil ways of getting things done they still did it, they formed the foundation for a wonderful nation! The conditions which they were facing are becoming very similiar to what we are facing now! True we don’t die on average from; Cholera, consumption, syphillis, black death, flu, and various other forms of death but nonetheless we are headed there. When the majority of this country feels that there is no other option but revolution then the work will begin. It may take over 120 years like it did with them but within that time there could be a lot of tragic and violent uprisings in our country. Unfortunately for us our time moves at a much faster rate so 120 years might be the same as 12 years for us.. (who knows what it is, im just saying). When people voted for Obama they voted for change! Well I believe change is just what we are going to get for the good or the bad we will not now, history will decide!
OK OK OK DAMNIT! I was only going to read these posts and see what people were saying but HA to many stupid people not to say something!!
THE REASON YOU ALL HATE AMERICANS SO MAUCH IS BECAUSE WE ARE FREE AND YOU ARE NOT!
Mexico and mexicans need to go back and eat some mexican strawberries to produce some energy and shut up, the only reason your county has any money to begin with is because Americans like drugs. Even if you still had control over california arizona texas and newmexico you would still be poor and the commanche would still be scalping your stupid kids! REMEBER it was not a lettuce picker that created any use for oil!
That person who kept getting butt hurt at Leaf, who happened to be to much of a chicken to put a name down so he was easliy targeted instead of A PERSON lol, you are a moron!!! A PERSON on aug 10 2009 2:03 am, YEAH YOU
um you do realise there is already a civilian task force its called the national guard it is controled solly by the state and the people of the state.
LOL the National Guard is not a civilian task force, you might read about something before you think you know about it! Just because it is called The National Guard and is in direct control of each states government it still is in direct policy with its larger active branch. If it were truly a civilian task force then it would not get federal funding, pay, training, benifits, and would NEVER be called to go overseas for war. BUT I GUESS YOU THOUGHT THAT THROUGH RIGHT? I had to pick on you you are an idiot!
With all that is going on I am armed and ready to go for my CONSTITUTION!!!! Remember that document that made us what we are, that gave us a certain unaliable right for LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PERSUIT OF HAPPINESS (good movie btw). When we allowed our government to ignore article 12 WE THE PEOPLE ARE TO BLAME! We are at fault for not becoming educated on the people we elect and by not watching the every little move of washington. We stood back and watched and waited thinking that they would do the right thing, guess what, they did, for thier own desires and wants not yours! Now my grand kids will be paying for it SMOOTH MOVE!!!
As for people in America who own guns being red neck and morons and whatever else you passive pansies think they are at least they are not affraid of the world and will be there to insure you are free as well as they are!
If you do not like America then stop eating our food watching our movies listening to our music really enjoying anything that came from America. I dont mean just what was made in the USA but also what was created by an American mind. You cant do it, once you taste a sliver of America you wish you were one of us, you wish you had our abilities and our energy, WE RUN THIS WORLD, without us you would have starved already, about the only thung I can sit here and say that America has done wrong as a whole is feed you worthless people, without us keeping you alive the world would not be overpopulated! Make no mistake people OBAMA has plans on how to cleans the world not just America. WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE THINK WILL HAPPEN WHEN AMERICAN FARMERS AND RANCHERS DONT FARM AND RANCH ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN PUT OUT OF BUSINESS? YOU WILL ALL STARVE!!!!! I wont nor will my family because I know how to hunt and grow my own food but you lazy F%CKS that drain the world will certainly die without our help!
All you people who continually sit there and talk bad about the jews and what they do in the GAZA lol shut up those poor people have been through enough, 2000+ years of persecution for being born???? WTF and you support this, well in my opinion YOU NEED TO PUT THROUGH EVERYTHING THEY HAVE THEN MAYBE YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND!
Obama is not the messiah and WILL NOT SAVE THE WORLD! He is at best a thug, have you never heard his talks on reperations???? REPERATIONS DONT GO DEEP ENOUGH!!!! his own words, so what is deep enough?? simple, to destroy everything that was built in his mind on the backs of African slaves. LOL BUT AMERICA DID NOT START SLAVERY THE AFRICANS DID!!!!
I am so sick of global warming being my fault did you know that there are 70 active volcanos in ALASKA alone.
As for all of it, when someone breaks that camels back and the free minded AMERICANS stand up to take back freedom our fathers and grandfather alike died for, the people who stand in our way in my mind will be worth the cost of my reload. In my opinion if you are in support of Obama then you are against the Constitution and will be my enemy. You are not American and you will be treated as such!
Don
http://www.pbs.org/ktca/liberty/chronicle_philadelphia1791.html then click on bill of rights and read them people understand your rights and our laws!
Why don’t ya’ll quit the conversation now, since it is quite obviously useless, and just get down to it?
What do you say you start in Virginia just outside of Washington? Maybe Manasas. I’ll bet everything on the conservatives who like to keep and bear their arms (Most on the other side don’t know how to use them properly and the ones that do are like the French and quite fond of Retreat as a strategy when under live fire). The only thing in question is whether or not they ruthlessly wipe out the other side totally or, as I predict, either accidentally or out of compassion leave some remnant of the cancer to grow and become malignant again about a hundred years hence.
I think it’s absolutely going to happen and even welcome it. We are not a single nation anymore. The division, in my completely biased opinion, is between the educated and the religious. I for one no longer can extend sympathy of any kind to those who would abolish all civil rights for people not of the the fundamentalist Christian faith or Caucasian race. I hope that the coming conflict is not overly violent, and that the two ideologies simply segregate from each other peaceably. That will of course not be the case, given the warlike demeanor of the right wing. Well, just don’t be so foolish to think that the educated will not defend themselves.
TexasSinkholeFan226 - What a completely ignorant statement. It’s not the Christians that are trying to abolish the civil rights of those that aren’t Christian. It also has nothing to do with race. It is the politically correct apologist left wing that believes Christianity is the problem with this country. It is the liberal left that is consistently voting to remove God from our schools and the rest of society. It is the same group of people that is getting voted OUT in 2010. (RhINO’s included)
Don- I hate to break it to ya, but I called out A Person on almost all of his pinko commie bullshit. Towards the end, he began to make little to no sense at all, and I decided that he didn’t need me to beat up on him anymore, as he was doing a great job of that himself. I’ve served my country. I’ve put in the time. I’ll throw down with anyone who defames my flag in front of me, and yet you call ME a “Chicken”? Why don’t you re-read those posts I made prior to your post. As for the rest of your post, I completely agree with it.
the united states will never fall apart. it is nice to fantisize and dream about what it would be like with a free-market orianted nation independent from a socialist country, however it is highly unlikely. the us government is set up so that the terms are long enough so that something can get done, yet are short enough so that if if goes completly wrong a new congress can be elected in. if you ask me the fate of the nation lays in the national health car debate. if it is passed the us debt wil not only drasticly increase, but it is one of the few things that cant be undone (and dont say canada is doing it because their populastion is about
33-34,000,000 one tenth that of the US). it will put us further down the road of socialism since teddy rosevelt, maybe further. THAT is what everybody should be woried about.
as for TexasSainkholeFan since when are Christians uneducated, are racist and against civil rights?!?! civil rights are pretty much the only thing keeping the christians (for lack of a better term) alive. Ever heard of the FIRST AMMENDMENT! also the right wing does not have a “warlike demeanor” the right wing simply believes in the right to defend the nation and those in it.
And Leaf, thank you for your service
No need for anonymous names or hidden agendas. We the people all have
a right ( still ) to expess ourselves. However these rights are being challenged
by many. ( the few ). Confusing as it seems a cleansing is in order. Whether
you like it or not “God Bless the USA” is all inclusive ( Hallah, God, etc )
Let’s not make the mistake of believing all those in power feed us. News and
online info is being threatened by police action even today. Stand together
and agree to disagree but not ( never never) be the silent majority. Call your
congressman ( or congresswoman ) until their ears bleed ( so to speak ).
Vote for change …make change at every level..not just Federal… Please
Bless you and keep you all well….
Actually, the world will be a better place, without the United States. The US is a tool of the House of Rothschild. The US has never been freed of the control of the House of Rothschild, the most evil and infamous conspirators the world has ever known. That being said, the sooner the United State is destroyed, by Yaweh, the better for the world.
To Ron the terrorrist - Shouldn’t you be doing a live demonstration at a suicide bomber training camp near you? People like you make me sick.
Why do you say that Los Angeles in particular will be a hotspot for violence? I live in LA and that totally freaks me out. Thanks~
it has nothing whatsoever to do with him being black. it has to do with the true facts that he is a sham, a fraud,a liar,ect and he wasnt even BORN here, and because of that he isnt even eligible to be president. he was only elected because he is black, which is wrong. his OWN GRANDMOTHER admitted she was PRESENT AT OBAMAS BIRTH, IN KENYA. kenyas president Mwai KIBAKI, when asked on tape if they were going to m ake obamas birthplace there in kenya a national monument for their country and has he visited his birthplace there, Mwai KIBAKI admitted he had been to obamas birthplace IN KENYA, and there was no reason to make it a monument because kenyas people KNOW WHERE HE WAS BORN AND VISIT IT ALL THE TIME ( his birthplace). they even went to the trouble of FORGING HIS US BIRTH CERTIFICATE, which was PROVEN BY SEVERAL DOCUMENT EXPERTS ( a couple of wich are retired federal employees who worked with the federal government to examine forged documents) TO BE A FORGERY. the guys a total flake ,fake and fraud. personally, i hope hes uncovered for what he is.
wow wow wow wow
Im back!!! turns out the Chinese government hasnt seen this website
(ps i saw someone being abducted last week or month by police near the japanese consulate it was so scary i ran forward to do something cause she was screaming for help but there were like 12 police officers, with guns!! do you know how rare that is in china)
i guess the website got kinda boring without me no ones posted in like two months and the right wing nut bags are outs control!!
god i missed this website
I will begin ridicully your opinons momentarily
Don on October 25th, 2009 1:17 am
wow youre just what i needed
i have to begin with this one because i have strong (and controversial) opinions on Israel
All you people who continually sit there and talk bad about the jews and what they do in the GAZA lol shut up those poor people have been through enough, 2000+ years of persecution for being born???? WTF and you support this, well in my opinion YOU NEED TO PUT THROUGH EVERYTHING THEY HAVE THEN MAYBE YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND!
See i will not condemn you (yet) for this opinion as it is a common hel miconception that i cant stand. Jews constanly say “we were here for like 3000 years so it rightfully belongs to us and we’ve been discrimnated against for 2000 years so we can discrimante against arabs” (well simplified version)
this is utter bull**** (i bleeped my own). This is ludicrous as before the jews arrived in israel who do they think lived there? no one? when the Israelites arrived from egypt they invaded! they forcibly took it from the arabs who lived there, just because they werent islamic back then doesnt mean there not arabs. next the discrimnation claim they have heres some history
persia took israel where they realy did horrible things tro the jews for about half of their reign.
The Persian empire fell apart (caused by the greeks)
The romans took israel and pretty brutally opressed them
the roman empire fell apart and Islam came into being a few hundred years later. The surrounding countries re took Jeruslem and surprisingly didnt brutally opress the Jews they let them prosper and run parts of the city themselves.
Soon after this the christians came in and took jeruselem to antioch and brutally killed Muslems, Jews and Christians! for a hundred years (not quite)
Saladin retook Jeruselem and didnt opress anyone!! not a one. even the brutal crusaders were allowed to leave with their possesions.
With this arabs finnaly united in the ottoman empire which allowed jews complete freedom for the next 1000 years jews have been allowed to live peacefully with arabs for over 1500 years. The only places where jews were discrimanated against were christian Europe and America
(almost every where except Germany funnily enough this was the reason there were so many Jews in Germany because it was the only place they were allowed to live)
Jews cant preach discrimnation from arabs
y cant i post
91. Don on October 25th, 2009 1:17 am
OK OK OK DAMNIT! I was only going to read these posts and see what people were saying but HA to many stupid people not to say something!!
THE REASON YOU ALL HATE AMERICANS SO MAUCH IS BECAUSE WE ARE FREE AND YOU ARE NOT!
” Mexico and mexicans need to go back and eat some mexican strawberries to produce some energy and shut up, the only reason your county has any money to begin with is because Americans like drugs. Even if you still had control over california arizona texas and newmexico you would still be poor and the commanche would still be scalping your stupid kids! REMEBER it was not a lettuce picker that created any use for oil! ”
ummmm again no… American made itself big through isolation one of the things they needed was the oil industry. Its one of your biggest and richest industries. But, i would agree that they would still be poor because the spanish would probably have stollen it all, like they did with the gold an silver, and the empire and its people.
“That person who kept getting butt hurt at Leaf, who happened to be to much of a chicken to put a name down so he was easliy targeted instead of A PERSON lol, you are a moron!!! A PERSON on aug 10 2009 2:03 am, YEAH YOU”
uh yeah right because im totaly going to put my name on a internet website maybe at tghe same time you would like my adress, city and routine how bout i just through in my sexual habits as well. the only people who put there real names online are small children and morons. Im going to assume youre not a small child so i guess you are the later. (ps if you think im a coward come fight and youll have your throat slit before you can lift an arm i may be a bleeding heart liberal but I own 2 illegaly reactivated rifles and several black powder weapons and cary at least two knives with me at all times obviously my guns are back in aus as i couldnt get them to china, just cause im a liberal doesnt mean im not a survivalist im crazy if you must know i have escape plans out of cities and know how to kill people just in case i have built myself a small house deep in the australian bush completly stocked to survive a nuclear war so yeh i guess im a coward)
thats probably more than you need to know.
If you do not like America then stop eating our food watching our movies listening to our music really enjoying anything that came from America. I dont mean just what was made in the USA but also what was created by an American mind
Seriously the only thing i can begin any of these with is um… i dont eat american food, never have (unless you mean south american food) my favourite movies of all time are european australian (mad max) or directed by the british. i dont particularly like american music i prefer british and classical mussic (though i do give you credit for jazz and blues). Aside from computers i dont like anything else from America everything else was invented elsewhere
For example
Things invented outside america
the car
the light bulb (not the americans they invented the cotton filament)
the american congress
gunpowder
democracy
republics
paper
the wheel
steam power
the tank
the radio
telgraphs
petrol
the gun
TNT
Steel
Psychiatry
books
language
the ICBM
glasses
clocks
chocolate
crop farming
irrigation farming
banking
capitalism
tea
Coffee
tobacco
communism
photographs
vending machines
combat aircraft
America
Australia (these countries were invented by europeans they werent
Canada countries before that)
New Zealand
skiing
clockwork
beer
alcohol
Patrick Stewart (i kid)
industry
the saw mill
suspension bridges
the statue of liberty (French)
the aircraft carrier
the navy / ships (granted you invented the ironsides but that was mostly
.europeans in the south and no one else was dumb enough to build a small enclosed space with a very hot steam engine in it)
formalised military
Ikea
Nokia
Sony Erickson
Glass
fabric
Soccer (football)
Football (rugby)
springs
golf
contraception’s
the Olympics
Cricket
the satellite
curling
the plough
fireworks
plumbing
street lighting
the manned space ship
the unmanned space ship
the AK 47
Medical care
the compass
radar
the train
the road
you know im pretty sure i could live with just these things
i dont know why it wouldnt let me post it as one article
Ah, the communist returns. Welcome back A Person. I was worried I wouldn’t have anyone else to poke fun at on here, well except for Ron and TexasSinkholeFan226 that is.
A Person, it amazes me how anti-American you are, yet it doesn’t really matter since nobody cares what a communist from Australia has to say about the United States anyway. You have absolutely no business speaking on this topic as it doesn’t concern you or your country to begin with.
FYI, I personally like Australia. I’ve visited several times, and I have a few friends there. I’ve always thought the people were very pleasant and intelligent. You must be the exception.
Americans are beginning to wake up, and get wise to the tyrants that have taken over the oval office and the congress. They’re beginning to wake up and see that their idea of “change” is going to destroy the founding principles that this great country was built on, and make us just like everyone else. Obamao’s dream of a new world order/ one world government is going to end suddenly via a revolution. If you think the military can or will stop it, you’re wrong. Nothing can stop a determined American when his/her freedoms and liberties are at stake as they are now.
You know funnily enough i actually agree with you on a couple of your points. For instance Obama being awarded the nobel peace prize was ludicrous they awarded it to him as a way of seeking forgivness for 300 years of european racism control and slavery in africa, in a simple term they awarded it to him because he was black. But there is something i take issue with talking about the revolution. Well aperently this is the year you will descend into 6 different countries ect, but what i take issue with is the statment the military cant stop it and nothing will stand between Americans and freedom. The civil war was technically illegal as America is not one country it is 50 states united sort of like a more bonded european union. Part of the constitution actually says that every state has the right to leave the union and become independent. So in the civil war the southern states to protect white freedon seperated from the north to form their own confederation legally acceptable but instead the north used its armies to retake and force a doctrine on the people of the south.
This was an example of an almost 50/ 50 split in the country (more like 35/65 split but the money in the south made up the difference). I dont disagree about revolution there could very well be one but so long as the majority of states are united under Obama and the democrats they might be able to win a civil war and the spproval ratings are still around 52% which should be enough.
By the way i wish i could have an actual conversation with you as people are always extremely confused whenever i talk to them as most of my views are very progressive leftist even communist i have other very extremely right views on things like abortions, gay marriage, modern day feminism (its ridiculous women have full rights they dont need anymore activists in western countries), the death penalty, and surprisingly torture and war. What i have against the last two is not effectiveness it the law that forbids these and whether laws are good or bad they should be followed. On the the Death penalty i see no reason to keep alive people who are a constant threat to society. Also lastly i may have private thoughts about gay marriage and abortions (i mean its the killing of a baby and some people do it just because their child has downs) i say im a man and the rights of the individual should not be impeded, the state should not be allowed to tell a women or a doctor what they are allowed to do in such a personel area, and homosexuallity, i wont evewn go there i will just say they are people and they deserve the same rights as everyone else (the same way the kkk or the NAZIS have those rights in america despite the agreements at the Yalta and Potsdam conferences).
On Australia im guessing you havent been there recently honestly i have been ashamed of my country men with the violences against asians and the denial of help to refugees from sri lanka (even if they sort of bring down our socio economic level in the world) Australia is being very bigoted at the moment and nationalism (not good nationalism bad nationalism like The british national party all white nationalism) is sweeping through the young of australia. Luckily where still better than Britian and Switzerland (though strangely not as good as america damn it i had to admit you are better there)
Ok so say the country is splitting up and i dont want to be apart of this huge upriseing or whatever how is this going to effect me if im a world traveler ? will i be allowed to come and go as freely as i do now ? what will i being comeing back to or is this place even worth comeing back to ? Humans we can screw up anything ( hangs head in shame )
mmmmm … civil war trillion zillion debt…..somethings happening all over the world greece bankrupt… germany too…seriously if i was china ohh my id put my foot in…screw the indians dumb asses…….poor americans used by their govts to bail out bankers and greedy fat pigs….and what do they get for it civil war….stay out of usa or get out if you can all hells gonna break loose…youve been warned!!!
See http://www.fbiblacklistedspecialagentfrankjester.com
Will be one of the catalyst to “enought is enough” and much need revolution and civil war 2010 bleed into 2011.
Mimi Galdi, I doubt your anti-semitic, and unintelligible ramblings on that website will start, or be a “catalyst” to anything at all, other than more poorly designed and executed 1 sided websites. Take your bullshit somewhere else.
oracle, please learn how to form a sentence then come back and see us again. Until then, your post just makes you look like a raving loon.
a person, the last time I was in Australia was June of 2008, so it has been a couple years almost. Has it changed so much already?
As far as talking in person is concerned, I know points can come across differently than you intend them to when typing on a keyboard. If you ever visit Florida, look me up and I’ll buy you a beer.
stock food water and bullets !
I should hope that all Americans would really want to be free, which you are not. The federal/state/local governments are all under the influence of the international bankers, who control Wall Street, and all of the other equity markets around the world. They, in turn, set the prices for all commodities. The House of Rothschild, alone, sets the daily price for gold, since they own 90% percent of the world’s gold bullion. They own each and every gold mine in South Africa, which holds most of the world’s deposits of this precious metal. Even though the ANC ‘overthrew’” apartheid, all of precious minerals are still owned by House of Rothschild, including diamonds, and uranium. What good is the vote, if most of the indigenous people of South Africa are starving, and living in squalor? They are still a colony of The House of Rothschild. The United States of America, is still a colony of The House of Rothschild. You only think that you are free, but is merely an illusion. Seventy percent of the wealth of this country is owned by Khazars, The House of Rothschild is worth almost $500 trillion, not billion. Bill Gates an Warren Buffet are beggars with a tin cup, compared to The House of Rothschild, which is a privately held corporation, all owned by the Rothschild family. Wake, up, my ignorant fellow Americans, smell the coffee, and fight for your freedom and safety here, not in Afghanistan/Iraq. There is no danger posed to you there. 9-11 was a false flag operation, perpetrated by The Mossad/CIA, which are controlled vicariously by The House of Rothschild. The elites put Obama in the Oval Office, to serve their ignoble purposes. He went to school with them, at Occidental College, Columbia University, and Harvard Law School. He and his wife are members of The Council of Foreign Relations, and all of the other secret societies which foist war, famine, and chaos on the rest of us. This economic collapse was engineered by The House of Rothschild. It will end, only, if they want it to end. If it does end, their power will be amplified, and you will suffer. Know thine enemy, and destroy him. We have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us!!!
Ron, I tend to share some of your interests in the Rothschilds, but 9/11 WASN’T an inside job. Truthers like you are a crazy bunch of people. Terrorists, NOT the CIA attacked our country on 9/11. All of the proof points at terrorists, and your weak conspiracy theory that says otherwise is easy to be debunked.
It’s the gay agenda, and abortion, and health bill, and attack on religion. We cannot compromise on those things, the only option is civil war against these hard heads that want their way.
Happy gay people? Feminsits, Liberals? Look what you got us into. You wanna change the constitution your going to have to do it over my dead body!
Don’t worry I’m a peaceful man. I have to say that because in this day and age I could be prosecuted for such strong language, as our freedom of speech is in danger. It’s needed though. When you people going to wake up?
Leaf, if there were no conspiracy, then why did most all of the Khazars, who normally work in the WTC take the day off, on 9-11? If you don’t know the term, “Khazar,” look it up. Perhaps you do know, if you are one of them. The jig is up, and the world will deal with the Khazars. The world will deal with them harshly for all the evil they have foisted on the world. The Khazars were told to stay away from the WTC on 9-11. The Khazars are the real “terrorists” of the world. Read Revelations: 2:9; and 3:9-10.
” The Khazars are the real “terrorists” of the world.”
The Earth is also flat ; Elvis, along with Hitler and Eisenhower are still alive; the moon landing was staged on a Hollywood set ; the U. S. government is employing aliens to create a race of hybrid human-animal monsters, for use as weapons in war at the Dulce Base in New Mexico; and aliens abduct people every day to do rectal exams.
When you have some real FACTUAL evidence to back up your claims, rather than well written theories on the interwebs that target the feeble minded who can’t think for themselves, we’ll talk. Until then, you’re a kook and not worth my time.
Leaf, my message was never meant for those of your ilk. You, and your kind are the vermin which must be destroyed in the end, for the sake of the world.
Ron, so you subscibe to Darwinism then? That explains it. You know who else was into Darwinism? The Nazi’s.
I have absolutely no need for conspiracy theories that are based off of the internet rumor mill rather than factual information. Sorry Charlie, but 9/11 wasn’t an inside job, and there are no facts supporting your theory that it was.
Yes! I Agree fully, Ron who ever you are even if it were true that the “Khazars” were warned why would that be a reason to wipe them out as you put. Do you know what that is called? Its called racial genocide used by the nazis Bosnian serbs bulgarians the christian crusaders ect. All that does is increase hatred among people and ethnic groups. How would you like it if white people in America became a minority and were persecuted. How can people like you claim to be christian if you believe in intolerence.
However i do have one question “subscibe to Darwinism” please god tell me you arent a fundementalist christian who thinks the world was created 5000years ago and everything is exactly the same as it was back then (ps the Nazis were strongly religous not darwinists you know who else believes in Darwinism every single educated person in the world)
a person,” please god tell me you arent a fundementalist christian who thinks the world was created 5000years ago and everything is exactly the same as it was back then”
No, my friend, I’m not. By “subscribe to Darwinism” I was referring to social Darwinism, meaning eugenics. The Nazi’s strongly believed in eugenics, aka social Darwinism, which is inherently wrong.
Oh thank god i was worried there for a second
The problem now is that this country is full of dumb ass people. They are so backwards its not funny. Mostly the right wing republicans, (so called christians)\
They want everything to stay the same and they want to keep the money for the rich. Think about it people, thats just what they want to do. They are driving this country so far down its not funny.
So quickly people turn to Christian and religious bashing. The hate is abhorant. And, this hate stems directly from those same pushing peace and love and health! Ironic, isn’t it Mr. Russell?
Yes, Russell, America is full of backward people as you make quite clear.
Russell,
Of course the rich want to keep their money, THEY WORKED FOR IT, or their fathers, mothers etc did. Taking from the rich and giving to the poor only encourages people to be lazy and wait for a handout instead of actually getting a job and providing for themselves and their family. Why should I work if someone (the people who work) is going to provide my subsistance?
The problem with America, in my eyes is:
Over the past 100 some odd years, too much power has been delegated to the Government, completely detracting from the original Constitution and its amendments. Because of this, it’s only become easier for the corrupt to become powerful, and maintain their power, and to replace them with someone worse.
Those who have power, only want more power, and never to lose that power. Same goes for money. The poor, just want enough to live comfortably.
Thats all I want. I don’t need a mercedez benz, a 10 story mansion and a gaggle of hookers. I just want to live comfortably with my wife and children. Have some basic possessions like a couple of firearms for hunting and self-defense, a reliable car to go to work, and go to the store… simple stuff.
But then you get these guys in office and each term just passes laws and bills that will give themselves and their respective successors MORE power and money. And since this has been happening for like…ever… it’s just what people are used to.
The world will not end just because America dies. In fact, I believe this government needs a good swift kick to the nuts and an ass kicking, so that way we can go back to the basics and start from scratch. Give me my Constitutional rights as they are provided in the original documents that are the basis to this country.
I’m no political expert, but I don’t have to be to see that this nation cannot be run solely by the Federal Government. I know that when I put in my vote, or when any regular citizen puts in their vote, that it doesn’t mean a damm thing. Thats the sad, sick truth. We could have ALL voted for McCain. Or Thompson. Or whoever, and the only ‘votes’ that count are those previously mentioned frakheads in office. Therefore any bill that is passed that fraks us, and benefits the rich, is going to pass. Just look at every bill passed since… I dunno… 1920 something?
You’re damm right there’s going to be civil war. I was in the Army, my wife is in the Navy, and I know a whole lot of people that will gladly fight the current government in an effort to protect and defend the constitution from all enemies FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC…..
see, thats what people forget the most I think about our constitution…
foreign and domestic…. domestic….. domestic….domestic…
There’s some food for thought for you guys.
We are the most powerful military force in the history of man. Every fight is our fight. Because what happens over here matters over there. We don’t get to sit one out. Learning to use the tools of modern warfare is the difference between the prospering of your people, and utter destruction. We can’t give you freedom. But we can give you the know-how to acquire it. And that, my friends, is worth more than a whole army base of steel. Sure it matters who’s got the biggest stick, but it matters a helluva lot more who’s swinging it. This is a time for heroes. A time for legends. History is written by the victors.
The more things change the more they stay the same. Boundaries shift, new players step in, but power always finds a place to rest its head. History is written by the victor, and here I am thinking we won. But you bring down one enemy and they find someone even worse to replace him. Locations change, the rationale, the objective. Yesterdays enemies are today’s recruits, train them to fight along side you and pray they don’t eventually decide to hate you for it later.
The healthy human mind doesn’t wake up in the morning thinking this is it’s last day on Earth. But I think that’s a luxury, not a curse. To know you’re close to the end is a kind of freedom. Good time to take… inventory. Outgunned. Outnumbered. Out of our minds on a suicide mission, but the sands and rocks here stained with thousands of years of warfare… they will remember us for this. Because out of all our vast array of nightmares, this is the one we choose for ourselves. We go forward like a breath exhaled from the Earth. With vigor in our hearts and one goal in sight: We will kill him.
It doesnt matter if it is democrat or republican, black or white, protestant or baptist…. They are all faces of the same mouth, eating up America, feeding the same beast.
Disenfranchised on March 27th, 2010 1:02 am
Thats the exact first scene of call of duty modern warfare 2 where general sheppard is tlaking about war
(I’m not a professional speaker or writer, so this will jump around a lot)
Yes, it is. A lot of the quotes from the game are very strong and if you’re like me, they make you think about whats really going on in real life. The fact of the matter is, our so-called victorious leaders are not so victorious. We are fighting a war we can’t afford, and we shouldn’t be in. I was in the Army and I have a lot of service pride. But just because of that, it doesn’t mean I don’t feel like we are infallible. In fact, I feel that our government has abused its power for the last time. By the next presidential election, I suspect that there will actually be a civil war, it probably won’t involve overt military/guerilla war, but there will surely be a political civil war.
The game, Modern Warfare 2, shows an American general lie, kill, decieve, just so he can make his own mark on history. Nobody really takes into consideration that the history we know and were taught in school, is half truths and heavy exaggurations(sp?). So “History is written by the victors” was the part they keep emphasizing in the game. Shephard and Price say it like 5 times throughout the cutscenes.
Also, the fact that we stay in Iraq and try to help them, we only train the nation to fight us later. Anybody remember Osama bin Laden? Yeah, we trained his dumbash too, and look what he did in return. Wtf do you think the iraqi’s are gonna do?
We have iraqi foreign nationals in our military and they walk around like they own the place. They damn near ran down my pregnant wife because guess what? The towelheads don’t have a shred of respect for our laws or our women.
We need to kick them out of our country. We need to pull out of theirs. Let them rebuild themselves and come home and repair ourselves. My flags are upside down. Our country is in distress.
Me and Obama took the same “Oath” to protect and defend the country and constitution. Obama lied on the day he put his hand on the bible and took this oath, and he’s been lying ever since. Even though I’m “retired” from the service, I still take this oath seriously.
To get this county back on track I will do whatever it takes. I do believe bad things will happen soon (2-3 years). I hope I am still able to fight!… As for the active duty troops fighting against civilians, I believe at least half, if not more will not fire on civilians and at least half of that groupe will go awol and either fight against the govt or go home to defend thier family.
Call me anything you want too. Obama is doing all of this for a reason. No one is this stupid. We are being divided and used against each other.
I practice firing my weapons weekly! And I still take the oath i took 25 yrs ago seriously.
Good luck out there.
I’ll drink to that Army. Obama committed treason the very day he swore his oath.
I doubt it will come down to overt violence, but I’m with you, Retired Army. Hooah. I will happily take up arms and uphold that very oath I took in 2003 and 2008.
As for where the military will stand? I’m sure thousands will go awol in a matter days. I’m sure that some of the top brass will splinter off and support the Constitution, while the others will not have the balls (or the agenda) to break away and do the right thing.
You know… I was thinking. American’s have to be really f**ked up, to impeach a president for having sex in the oval office, yet we let this commie jackoff continue to ruin the country. I don’t know about you, but I’d rather still have the guy that was last impeached. You know, Clinton? The guy that at least kept our economy together?
Anyway… yeah, I’m not hating on America. I’m just hating on where the country is headed and how it got to this point.
ok well to all of you who say a civil war is not going to hapen becuse a black president listen IT IS NOT BECUSE HES BLACK it becuse he is comunist his mentor comunist look at his parets church back ground and why the hell are his birth sertifigets locked in hawihi for too hundred years he is comunist
Tyler, PLEASE use spell check. Just looking at your post gives me a headache, and makes me think about how bad the US school system is.
I may have missed it, but I haven’t seen anyone on here say there “won’t be a civil war because he is a black president”. Most here will agree that he is the most Anti-American pres. we have ever had, and his policies are making us look weak to the rest of the world.
yea i agree..if you look at America (im from ny) its becoming worse and worse between republicans and democrats, i think the reason is because of the media. not just Fox, all mainstream media are either brainwashing people, or making fun of that network for being so retarded. So maybe if Obama and the democratic party grew some balls they could stand up and confront them of their ignorant remarks, and maybe from that our country could start understanding what is really going on in our world
also on a side note, most, not all, of the country is filled with homophobes, racists, and morons..so idk if we can stop useless bitching and drama for entertainment
God listen to yourselves revolution, treason of the president, communism your all sounding like zenophobic militia nutbags “ma get me mah gun a kenyans muslin (with the less common n spelling) negroe commie invaded the white house” its ridiculous the whole point of democracy is so that you dont have to do that. I mean look at Bushs presidency spectacularly bad yet no revolutions there were protests but thats the point every 4 years you can get rid of your government and if they dont leave then your armed and ready to fight to the death probably backed by the army and state guard. The 2 term limit was set up for that very reason well two reason (republicans being miffed a liberal dem incredibly liberal could win 4 terms and still be uber popular) but also if a government does rig elections there only going to be there max 8 years (ie bush florida) right now obamas popularity is still above 50 % (so where told or like 20% if you believe fox) thats most of the country hes cut taxes bailed out banks with no strings attached (which was idiotic) and for almost 6 months now hes been trying to work with republicans (also idiotic) but they are completly unwilling to see reason so hes finnaly taking some initiative good for him its about time he actualy did something.
Now ill stop the rank for a second the healthcare bill let me assume your all against well lets take a look it barley covers anyone there are no hospitals being forced into government control and all you rich white folk still have your fancing insurance. What it does do is restrict all the pre existing conditions crap i mean how is being pregnant a pre existing condition or not giving children insurance or forcing people to pay for ambulance if they dont book them 24 hours in advance i mean these people are satan worshipers by the sound of it who doesnt want to cover children its practicaly evil. Didnt jesus say give to the less fortunate reach out to your fellow man with compassion and give away all your possesions to live in the kingdom of god (sounds like communism to me) i mean these people are satanists
I believe civil war is inevitable. I for one am not a European, and don’t want European style big government. I favor a small national government, with more power to the states than to the federal government.
I am not a hick, a country or a country bumpkin. I have lived in Europe, and do not like European style “democracy.” I do not want to live in a European style “nanny state.” Greece is nanny state, sand their economy has gone to pot. Spain’s economy is headed in the same direction as Greece. So are the economies of many of the nanny states of the European union. No one wants to work. Everyone wants the government to feed them and clothe them. Taxes are outrageously high.
Europeans with money to invest are investing it in countries with low taxes.
Don’t tell me I don’t know what ‘m talking about. Seven years in Spain and travel to the nanny states of Europe, I’ve seen enough to not want to live in a European style nanny state. That is precisely what the left wing in the US want.
The left is going to steal elections. They are trying to silence any opposition. The constitution is irrelevant to them. The left consider the constitution to be an old, out of date document. Obama’s model, and Nancy Pelosi’s as well, is Hugo Chavez. Total control. take away the rights, shut down the press. There are many in the American left who want Obama to be President for Life, a la Hugo Chavez.
That is why we are headed for civil war.
Dear a person,
Did the I.R.A not hold off and succeed to push back the brittish armed forces?
Do you forget the notion “the few can seize victory from the many”?
Do you forget that had the Federal government of the first American Civil War lost 1 more battle, the confederates would have won?
You need to look at the past and learn that many GREAT nations have fallen to a lesser form of government (ex. The french revolution, The russian civil war, the afghanistan reformation.)
A wise man
Did the I.R.A not hold off and succeed to push back the brittish armed forces?
Do you forget the notion “the few can seize victory from the many”?
Do you forget that had the Federal government of the first American Civil War lost 1 more battle, the confederates would have won?
You need to look at the past and learn that many GREAT nations have fallen to a lesser form of government (ex. The french revolution, The russian civil war, the afghanistan reformation.) just a few of the many vic
victories* apoligies for the computer malfunction
To those of you who don’t think a civil war can happen because of the might of the US military consider the follwing.
1. There may be a military of 2.4 million, but if there is an armed insurrection, you can count on a high desertion ratio. Some deserters will join the insurrectionists and take their weapons with them. There would be desertions from all branches of the military. The insurrectionists would get some weapons that way.
2. With a large percentage of deserters, the Feds would have to institute a military draft to secure man power. Count on a large number of draft evaders. Also, draftees wouldn’t make particularly good troops.
3. There is a growing anti-government militia movement in the US. Many of the members of these militias are former military and have the skills and training needed to fight a military made up of draftees. The militias are armed and are able to get weapons. If I were the leader of a militia or an large insurrectionist group, I would make a deal with Mexican drug lords to secure weapons from arms dealers, and pay the drug lords well for the weapons. Offer enough money, and considering the corruption in Mexico, insurrectionist groups could buy tanks in Mexico and drive ‘em across the border. it is probable that if they were offered enough money, Mexican drug lords could secure any type of weapons system.
Given the erosion of our freedoms and the nanny state, I would like to see the 13 states of the old Confederacy form a new country. Not the rebirth of the CSA but a Federation of States, a Judeo-Christian nation, a conservative, traditionalist society, with a states rights constitution, a supreme court prohibited constitutionally from legislating. Granted, such a nation it probably be predominantly white Protestant, with a minority of Catholics conservative Jews.
A new civil war, would probably be short and bloody. The American left just doesnt’ have the stomach for a protracted conflict like the one during the War of Southern Independence. There would not be any issue like slavery to galvanize the left. Obama’s oratory would not be enough. After casualties incurred to prevent the breakup of the country, I believe the the left would lose the stomach to continue an armed struggle. I can see the leftists staging anti-war protests and deciding that it would be better to let the rebelling states leave the union.
So, your arguments that insurrectionists could not win an armed struggle may not be valid. I’ve indicated how weapons could be secured to use against the US military. There would be deserters from the US military. In the end, the left would give up and demand an end to any conflict. In any new US civil war, those of us on the right would win.
First of all, a civil war or American Revolution is unavoidable. We are in a desperate need for uprising. Many of the sites ive visited acknowledge this issue and explain that many Americans are becoming aware but awareness is not gonna change a thing.. WE NEED TO MAKE A MOVE SOON.. The government is working, everyday on a way to “keep us in our place” and we steadily fall into it. We need to break away from this monetary system which has turned us all to into slaves. We will never know true freedom unless we break away. Students, Families, Every day hard wokers we need to uprise and strike against this Corrupt Government. Send Letters, faxes, e-mails to your congressman. Find Oragnization’s that are for the cause and JOIN.. LETS MAKE A DIFFERNCE ITS TIME!!!!
I have read a good deal of these posts, although I will admit, I skipped a bunch as they were just going back and forth. One thing that I have not seen mentioned specifically, although part of it alluded to, is the Declaration of Independence. This, and what I feel is a most important part, clearly speaks of our current time, just as it did back in 1776:
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
As most have agreed, our government has become corrupt, that includes both parties. It is time for the people to stand up and say that is enough, things NEED to change. But, as a corrupt government, our politicians will not go peacefully, they are the ones that will cause things to go badly.
One good example is the Healthcare bill. A group of states already passed laws requiring their State Attorney to file lawsuits against the federal govt saying the feds cannot require people to obtain Health Insurance. I can see the Supreme Court telling the states tough, then the people refusing to comply and begin demonstrations, which in some areas could turn violent. The NG called out to secure these areas. Then the militia groups come out and things would have a potential to blow up from there.
As far as the military, I think you will find differing factions. It is a core belief that will be in question as I think both side will be claiming to be upholding the constitution. The soldiers have only taken an oath to support and defend the constitution form enemies, both foreign and domestic, not the politicians. So, each soldier will then need to determine which side they feel is truly upholding what they deem is the correct interpratation of the constitution. As in the 1800’s the military will most likely split. Neither side will view their side as commiting treason as they would both be in the belief they are supporting and defending the constitution.
Now on another note, While the Supreme Court has ruled in the past that it is unconstitutional for a state to succeed, what kind of free country is this if the will of the people is to be ignored. I believe this to be a great contradiction in the Constitution, which may have no good answer.
One last comment, to a Person: California is not the richest state in the country. One the contrary, they are usually and the brink of bankruptcy and cannot pay their bills, nor support the people due to lack of funds.
I agree with Steven did any of you know that the constitution says that any state has the right to succeed from the union so Lincoln the first republican was as you would say was an evil dictator.
But once again you are all overlooking the facts
FDR ruled for 4 terms in office and probably would have ruled longer if he didn’t die he was very socialist and guess what he was very popular he brought America back from a massive depression caused by the republicans lack of restrictions. The supreme court tried to stop his programs so he bullied them into doing what he wanted yet no revolution.
Hoover did quite literally nothing and was despised there almost was a revolution when the bonus marches reached Washington and were shot at by the armed forces
George Bush 2 was the most unconstitutional president in your history he took away your constitutional rights to privacy and to protection under the law the republicans took you to two wars took away your free speech and your right to demonstrate and privacy yet again no rebellion despite most Americans (and the world) hating him you just waited for the next elections and got rid of them.
Now for another mind blowing revelation that you will probably not accept despite its facts FDR introduced many regulations on banks closing them down ect stopping the worsening of the economy. Now these restrictions were kept in play for the next 20 or so years and while yes there were recession they were minor as the restrictions stopped banks doing things like selling non existent commodities. Now every time the republicans got into power they tried to reduce some of these restrictions except the majority of the cold war was controlled by the dems. Then in the 80s and 90s republicans finally got some power and started to remove more restrictions (and oh there was another recession) Then Clinton got power but after him was the treasonous G.W.B who finally came up with a way of getting rid of the restrictions instead of getting rid of them they just got rid of the regulators the people who actually enforced and followed the restrictions and guess what happened massive massive wealth unparalleled huge i mean you cant imagine the amount money being taken because banks and insurance companies sold worthless bundles of non existent stock and properties ect stuff that’s almost impossible to understand (i mean really you have to complement the bakers there really quite smart). But despite the massive growth guess what happened the biggest recession since the great depression and do you know why because it is impossible to have continuous growth for ever unlike what the republicans want you to believe.
Something else you need to understand is that you are in a minority. When more than 50% of a group of people believe something then it becomes the belief of the majority. Unlike what fox tells you around 50% of the country still believe in Obama and guess what he was voted in with a hell of a lot more votes.
Do you republicans listen to your founding principles wasnt it Lincoln who said a house divided on its self cannot stand well the republicans are massively divided at the moment.
Ps Steven say what? not the richest state bankruptcy? So what if the STATE is going bankrupt guess who screwed that up republicans. the funny thing is i like Arnold Schwarzenegger the problem is voting on everything California is the perfect example of to much democracy they vote on everything from taxes to public transport. and fyi two of the founding fathers said even freedom must be limited in order to be obtained and even democracy can be obtained at two high a price (Iraq Afghanistan Nicaragua ect) . Oh yeah back to my original point the personal wealth and the wealth of companies in California is massive the problem is Californians keep voting them selves greater benefits and less taxes guess what it doesn’t work like that in order to get good benefits you need taxes.
You say socialism is evil and doesnt work but look at Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark Scandinavian countries and tell me it doesnt work highest taxes in the world 60% yet in the words of one of Sweden’s greatest politicians Olof Palme While other nations may boast greater wealth than ours none can boast to have fewer poor he rule from 1969 until his assassination in 1986 (known for his vocal opposition of the USA and Israel and support for the PLO who do you think assassinated him)
If you want to make it really simple, there are two basic “factions” in the U.S., which could both be broken down into many subcategories. They are the difference in politics, lifestyles, and productivity. There are those who believe that people are inherently good, and if given support will in time provide for themselves, and there are those people who believe that people are inherently selfish and evil, and that survival is the only good motivation for a person to work. In America, these are called the liberals and the conservatives, all name calling aside. In the past, the two parties were a little closer together, with many minor differences, but at present, the parties have grown into two different ways of life. If you look at it in perspective, the average liberal could be a college educated worker, could work an in office in a decently large town, and probably is non-violent, peaceful, and does not really “bust his ass” to make ends meet. The average liberal also seems to believe that if you feed a man a fish, he will eventually learn how to catch his own. The average conservative is not (as name calling puts it) Joe Redneck that’s dumber than hell but loves his guns. The average conservative could be a college educated farmer, that works with his hands and head on a regular basis, hunts for part of his food, and believes that it is better to teach a man to fish, so that he can provide for himself, than it is to feed the man a fish- because he believes a man fed too many times without working for it will get fat, lazy, and useless. Liberals have a much more compassionate view.
Those are some pretty broad generalizations, and don’t serve to point fingers or make fun of anyone, they’re there to make my next point. The fundamental differences between our two political parties are also generally fundamentally different ways of living. At every point in history, vastly different lifestyles have led to tension.
A revolution is very possible, based on that, but looking at past evidence (Katrina, Haiti) an American revolution would mostly likely lead to decently long term anarchy.
I work with the military every day. Those boys won’t fire on Americans. No doubts about it. About the fears of a vastly powerful police force- never before has the takeover of an armed populace been accomplished by force. It has always been done by complacency.
Democracies can only last for several hundred years at best, because pretty soon the public finds it can vote itself large funds from the community tax pile, and things go down hill from there. Not to mention that every great and powerful nation has fallen. Why? Because the people get lazy and complacent, and since the country was powerful, somebody hates it and takes it over at earliest opportunity. America is unique the fact that it has both militant and poet, rich and poor, white collar and blue collar. Unfortunately, I believe that that is the same force pushing America to revolutionize.
Right now both sides of the spectrum are pissed, but for different reasons. Once you piss people off for long enough, they’ll fight over almost anything. Conditions for revolution are becoming pretty ripe.
I think cutting off the “Leeches” that suck our country dry, would be such a positive thing for us; but how exactly would you purpose doing so?
Morford has it right. There will be what he calls “a revolution”, but I beleive it would result in a number of Nation States. The United States would cease to exist. There would be a conservative, Judeo Chrsitian Federation of States, and most likely a United Socialist Republic. There might also possibly be a Gay Republic, and maybe even a New African Republic. These different nation states would probsably constantly bicker with one another over boundaries, and resourcces, as well as ideology. There would probably be a constant series of troblesome disputes and crises as the different nation states bicker.
The fact that the Uniited States has lasted as long as it has is remarkable. The country is simply too polarized, too divided along economic, religious and ideological grounds to continue as a single nation. I suspect that by 2024, a civil war will have taken place, and that the former United States will have split into as n number of nations satates, bickering amongst themselves over resources. It makes sense, actually. The left want socialism, so a socialist nations satate is to their advantage. With a conservative nation states, the socialists have a place to send those who disagree with them.
A person is an Idiot. Everything he has said is incorrect, although he seems intelligent. Very dangerous!
@Keith - I’m glad I’m not the only person that thinks so.
a person is intelligent, people are stupid
@Bryan - That was very sweet of you, but you may want to wipe the brown off your nose, it isn’t becoming. a person is a staunch communist. His moral and political views are so warped, it’s hard to make any sense of them. I don’t fault the guy for it, in my opinion he can take any position he wants, but bryan you’ve been kissing his ass ever since you first started trolling these forums. You haven’t contributed a single intelligent argument yet, so until you do, your statement is erroneous.
All my arguments are incorrect? How is that? If you can dispute my arguments please do look if you disagree with my social views fine but dont just say im a communist like that refutes all my arguments give me a rational rebutal like i do to your arguments. What on earth do you know about my moral views do you think i go out and beat up random people or pull massive cons on people because I have one of the strongest senses of morals in the world when i so much as shout at someone I feel awful. And my political views are based on fact which i draw my own opinions on.
Please take one of my arguments and post a rational thought out rebutal not just thats idiotic or their will be a revolution because Im in the army or becuase i know 30 people who agree with me please if you have any proper political points post them but so far there are very few. Give me one rational argument for this nation wide revolution
Not
“Morford has it right. There will be what he calls “a revolution”, but I beleive it would result in a number of Nation States. The United States would cease to exist. There would be a conservative, Judeo Chrsitian Federation of States, and most likely a United Socialist Republic. There might also possibly be a Gay Republic, and maybe even a New African Republic. These different nation states would probsably constantly bicker with one another over boundaries, and resourcces, as well as ideology. There would probably be a constant series of troblesome disputes and crises as the different nation states bicker.”
Thats an opion not backed by any facts or arguments yet that is all you people are doing sure have your opinions but try backing them up with facts. At least morford gave some illogical but some go at evidence.
His generalisation of Liberals and Conservatives are not correct but at least he gave opinions backed with (a kind of) evidence
But…
Morford i have to take issue with you
“Right now both sides of the spectrum are pissed, but for different reasons. Once you piss people off for long enough, they’ll fight over almost anything. Conditions for revolution are becoming pretty ripe.”
Just because people are pissed off about political issues such as social benefits over spending and an illusioned outreach of government power, these do not make a revoltion what makes a revolution is wide spread poverty food crisis’, large scale corruption, discontent over different ethnic groups and no i dont mean immigrating mexicans I mean like in Post WW1 czechoslovakia where there where parts of many different countries all put together unwillingly and without entirley just representation.
“The average conservative could be a college educated farmer, that works with his hands and head on a regular basis, hunts for part of his food, and believes that it is better to teach a man to fish, so that he can provide for himself, than it is to feed the man a fish- because he believes a man fed too many times without working for it will get fat, lazy, and useless. Liberals have a much more compassionate view.”
While yes what you call a liberal view is more compassionate the conservative view is let the poor work it out themselves however unlike 2000 years ago when jesus said teach a man how to fish if you taught a man to fish back then he could provide for himself because all they had to do was make a simple boat and sell/ eat the catch now to do that you need a million dollar boat and crew plus licenses registrations and fees. Sure you can edudcate them but education is only free for under 18s and schools in america are already overcrowded so now teach a man to fish is send a person through 7 years of school or 11 if the poor are illiterate with an average cost of 100′000 dollars plus now most jobs wont give a job without university degrees so in america another 100 grand. Now what the liberals do is they provide you with health care so the person has more money available they try to create better public education and higher minimum wage so that janitors and cleaners can afford to send their children to school where if they work hard enough they can get a proper job and maybe pay for uni while a conservatives view seems to be f off and do some work you lazy bum if you worked harder you would have more money
Now that is an example of a completly biased awnser and I am now saying it is true of all conservatives however when you look at the elite of both political spectrums the politicians and the buissnesmen it tends that conservative elite are more selfish and short term while the liberals are more genetrous and long term. Now you will disagree with this so let me give my awnser in advance Republicans are for tax cuts and less restrictions on business now while it may seem good to the middle class tax cuts are the best for the rich you may not accept it but higher taxes are good for the middle and lower classes.
Some how i dont know how they are very clever but the repuclicans have deluded you that tax cuts for the rich are good for the middle classes and less restrictions on big buisness is good well there not if you were smart you would vote anything other than republican for federal elections (state and rural elections are fine i understand that)
Ps i think it about time the site moderator added some extra pages to the comment section you know new comments old comments its getting really long
Yes! We shall lead the Freedom for United States Knights of New Republic or FUKR. This new militia will be tasked with handing the United States Military their asses is urban warfare. They will not stand up against our superior strategy. We shall shine halt all economic and military activity in an instant
Just kidding about the above post. Just stroking the baggers a little. No need to storm my house Napolitano, I’m one of you!
This stupid Ruskie just likes to make false predictions. He’s probably still stuck on the Cold War. Americans are tough, even if we did have another civil war we’d last through it. I give us about another few hundred years or maybe over a thousand. Or if the rapture happens before that then we obviousley wouldn’t be here.
Aperson,
The facts are there. Our own war of independence is an example. When people become angry enough, and I am angry, and when they perceive that their rights are being trampled, regardless of whether that perception is correct, they will rise up. The growing militia movement in this country should be a warning that the country cannot continue along the same path.
The Spanish civil war is another example of what happens when one group or another is pushed too far.. It took a ruthless dictatorship in Spain to keep the lid on. I lived in sspain during the Franco era. Take a look at ETA, the Basque separatists. Once Juan Carlos dies, it is most likely that Spain will begin a slow process o9f breakup into a Catalan Nation, and a Basque nation. Catalunya and Basque national feeling Nationalist feelings run deep in Spain.
The TEA PARTY movement is an indicator that the US is too divided. Right now it’s peaceful, but wait until the establishment begins to steal elections; wait until goodn like SEIU, the Black Panthers, and other s8imilar groups use voter intimidation to affect the outcome of an election. The Black Panthers have already attempted that, then there will be violence. Both sides will hav e their goon squads. The evidence is all around you.
Wait until there are Greece like riots in the US. O)h, they’re coming soon. Wait until firebombs get thrown at police, and building are burned. Anger! We saw that in the 60’s in Los Angeles. That is a precursor to what can and will happen again. but on a much larger scale. Push any group hard enough, and they will explode.
You ask for proof? Look at Congress. Pelosi and company couldn’t give a fuck about the constitution. It’s all about power. Put party first, nation second. It’s abput getting and holding onto power at all costs. Don’t be surprised, if in the 2010 mid-term elections, you see the left attempt to steal the election. in court; they will bring up one legal challenge after another to forestall the results. . They will do what ever they can to steal the election. And, with Obama in power, with the courts leaning left, with SEIU and other union goons intimidating voters, stealing an electio0n is quite possible.
That will cause the level of anger to reach the exploding point.
the yorkiedad.
Aww fuck i give up just go living in your delusion your a moron and personallly i hope someone finds you and puts a bullet in your head its people like you who violently resist change every time it comes around. the civil rights movement, the civil war, FDR ect
Once they include the “poor” migrant worker these quacks intend on making citizens for ONE purpose..Citizenship for votes. Unify the base with twelve million. Degrade the culture and rule by confusion. The way they publicly disrespect America the way the democrats do…..should be hanged for treason. Its to the point where “either your with us, or your against us. Fuck your bullshit jive talk. We look at actions. If nothing has benefit other than schemes and political maneuvers he’s a joke. A 2bit hustler with the potential to be one of the greatest presidents ever, yet he lied about every godamn campaign promise. What a looser. If they don’t trade these votes for citizenship then they will never see power again.
If we do go Civil War……KING me
a person - You said “I have one of the strongest senses of morals in the world”, and within 8 short days you contradicted yourself, as you have done on numerous occasions, by saying ” I hope someone finds you and puts a bullet in your head”.
Yeah, I can see you have a strong sense of morals. Strongest I’ve ever seen. /sarcasm — Take your bullshit somewhere else a person.
Communists, such as yourself, don’t care about the truth. Your morals are twisted. Yorkiedad took the words out of my mouth before I could say them to you, and he is 100% correct on all points. Communism has always turned a blind eye to the facts however.
I rest my case against you, a person.
its a figure of speech to express how strongly i dislike you not an actual expression of my desires or beliefs. Also yorkie dads arguments are illogical also if your so positive about the collapse of society i will bet you everything you own against everything I own if your so positive why do you even live somewhere with the internet clearly you dont actually believe this nonsense or else you would take out as much money in personal loans as possible then buy guns tons and tons of guns, an armed vehicle of some type and a ton of building supplies and food then escape to the wilderness and hide there not giving away your location.
Anyway what im refering to the fact that there is so much crime in the world and so many horrors murders, rapes, theft, wars ect where good bad and innocent people die everyday,so if anyones going to die or be murdered I wish it was people like yorkiedad, Bush, osama bin laden, rush limbaugh, Glenn Beck especially glenn beck people who inspire hate lies confusion instead of innocents.
Also
“Communism has always turned a blind eye to the facts however.”
I think you mean
Politicians have always turned a blind eye to the facts however
All politicians left or right lie and deceive or destort fact to make themselves seem better than their opponents
a person- Figure of speech or not, it’s a horrible thing to say, and illustrates my point that a moral person wouldn’t say such things. In fact, it sounds like something Kim Jong Il might say. Either way, it shows you’re a total dick.
mmm sure because no one ever gets frustrated by a pig headed unresonableness of people to listen to the FACTS (not wild unfounded speculation) and says something they dont actually mean because if that were the case then literally everyone in the world is a total dick
(fyi that was sarcasm at the top as you seem to need every thing spelled out for you)
a person, In all the posts you’ve made, I have yet to see you using FACTS. Most all of your gibberish is conjecture. It’s ok though, I enjoy reading your fiction…
are you insane!!! thats you your the one who doesnt use facts give me one area where I didnt use facts I give my opinions and then i give evidence i consider your point of view and any argument you give me I counter through FACTS all you and your cronies do is put wild speculation in your posts then start screaming its true becuase obamas a socialist and the tea party movements represent all americans. You people use random quotes and historical scenerios from completly unrelated areas of history and then use this smug sense in your typing as if it disproves all my arguments
OK right now im going to flick my page halfway up the quotes pick one from me and one from you and sho you you pig headed arrogant blowhard how extremly retarded your awnsers are and dont you dare say in your nxt post “look at that your the typical liberal eletist who needs to resort to insults because his argument is incorrect” or i will dedicate my life to finding you and punching your lights out and I dont care if im contridicting my self!!
# a person on June 30th, 2009 3:38 am
There are just so many things wrong with with what Leaf, George and Josh have said. Where to begin there are just so many things. Ok i havnt been on in a while so lets start with Josh on June 24th, 2009
as a soldier you wouldnt know if you were brainwashed that would defeat the purpose of the brainwashing if the person is aware of the fact theyve been brainwashed then it wouldnt work now would it? Also if you cant follow orders then no matter how good you are as a fighter you wont make it that actualy underlines a major flaw in military systems as Generals are all ex soldiers who arent taut to think uniquely or specially they are taut to think like the crowd like everyone else. Military think has only changed in the last 1000 or so years from the world wars. Ok thats a bit off topic but again as for sounding out how many homosexuals have been kicked out of the military that descrimination and anti constotutional also its the stupidest thing i have ever heard.
Again when people say military brainwashes people I dont mean that they brainwash soldiers to vote for a specific partieslike Dem or Rep but they are brainwashed into things like thinking the USA is always right in all wars or to follow orders without question.
Leaf on June 24th, 2009
Well have you ever been in the military and just to show how stupid your comment is let me just give you some facts this might take a while
August 6 and August 9, 1945 nuclear bombs Fat man and little boy dropped on Japan one of the greatest mass murders in history and also a genocide.
Aushwitz (and alot of others) and the death of 6 million Jews disabled homosexuals and blacks
Breaker Morant and the Bushveladt Carbineers ordered to take no prisoners
Iraq and the killing of thousands of civilians (there werent any Al Queda in Iraq)there were so many breaches of the geniva convention there
Israels invasion of Palestine (all of them) and expansion into the west bank
Americas invasion of the Spanish empire (Philippines, Guam, Mexico, Hawaii, Alaska) all against the constitution
Guantanamo bay (everyone of the republicans and the tortures should be exicuted including Geroge Bush and Dick Cheney)
The American Civil War was unconstitutional the states were legally aloud to leave to USA
You honestly dont think that the US didnt have death and torture camp in world war 2 like Germany and Japan
Just a second this might take a minute the CIA in (ah I cant be bothered to write all of them out) but almost all of South America, where America stopped all of the communist revolution and replaced them with alot worse facist dictators
Cuba: almost 600 attempts on Castros life, the bay of pigs, huge anti communist attacks all of the world.
Sacco and Vanzetti exucted despite no evidence because they were anarchists and the Government needed scape goats
Gays excluded from the military using dont ask dont tell policies.
And I do stick to reality my grandpa was an Australian Hero in world war 2 he also fought in Korea Vietnam and was a sergent major. My Dad went to boot camp and was in the reserves, and guess what so have I unfortunatly I am to unique to be in the army I dont like being shouted at alot.
George on June 26th, 2009
Have you ever heard of the Great Depression guess how they got out of that they spent and spent and spent some more. Also if your gonna pull the crap about world war 2 ending the great depression not FDR well guess what a war is its spending spending and spending some more and eventualy confidnece was restored by the constant spending. The depression would have been a lot less great if Hoover (ie the biggest retard in history) had actually done anything. Confidence needs to be restored if the economy is going to be restored and if a government dosnt have confidence in there own country why would the people trust it
Leaf on June 26th, 2009
WHY???? Accept it the republicans are in a minority now so to bad and how is Obama’s policies gonna ruin the country you havnt proved anything or even made a point, at all.
# Leaf on June 30th, 2009 9:54 am
a person, if I felt like listening to left wing propaganda, I’d watch Whale Wars.
As an educated man (MFA Oxford), I have spent most of my university career around liberal nutjobs such as yourself. The democratic party has “brainwashed” (as you put it) idiots like you for so long, that you actually believe the crap that they’re saying.
The very first comment you made proves to me that you aren’t ready for intelligent debate. You honestly sound like a conspiracy theorist quack. The rest of your rant loses all credibility and doesn’t warrant the time it took me to read it, much less reply. To think, all this time, I actually thought you to be an intellectual.
Where is your argument so basically your argument is because your to smart to awnser well its the duty of every educated person in the world to spread and preserve the knowledge so please give me your argument rather than this BS how is my comment stupid that bit about brainwashing was just a side note but what about the homosexual issue?
A PERSON on January 9th, 2010 5:57 am
Leaf on January 9th, 2010 4:26 pm
Give me a frickin rebuttal its all good to say you disagree but give a rebuttal!!!
e.g if i said the telephone was invented by alexander graham bell
that is a little wrong and could be rebutted easily enough with no it was invented by an italian who couldnt afford a pattent (i forgot his name)
You cant respond no your an idiot everyone knows its not your stupidity astounds me you have no bussiness saying that get lost
so in polotical context
If i was to say obama care is good because…
It provides for the poorest of society who cant afford health insurance
It (supposed to) put restrictions on insurance companies to stop them ripping off customers
It removes pre existing condition clauses
It provides competition for the health insurance companies while hospitals and companies remain independent
(also imagine im talking very slowly here like the patronising voice parents use when talking to children you know one slow sort of soathing but annoying voice)
And there are many examples of successful government run health care
Now there are many ways to respond to this this is how a rational person reponds to it…
(if you have strong feeling towards the sunject i suppose you can go youve deluded your self your stupid or god you know nothing but followed by this…)
its an expansion of government which im against
it is ineffective
It goes against the will of the american people
And government health care in socialist countries is slow and there are long waits
The conservative way oh whoops im trying to be impartial here the blockheads way of responding is
# a wise man on April 21st, 2010 3:52 pm
Did the I.R.A not hold off and succeed to push back the brittish armed forces?
Do you forget the notion “the few can seize victory from the many”?
Do you forget that had the Federal government of the first American Civil War lost 1 more battle, the confederates would have won?
You need to look at the past and learn that many GREAT nations have fallen to a lesser form of government (ex. The french revolution, The russian civil war, the afghanistan reformation.) just a few of the many vic
Leaf on April 10th, 2010 5:41 pm
Tyler, PLEASE use spell check. Just looking at your post gives me a headache, and makes me think about how bad the US school system is.
I may have missed it, but I haven’t seen anyone on here say there “won’t be a civil war because he is a black president”. Most here will agree that he is the most Anti-American pres. we have ever had, and his policies are making us look weak to the rest of the world.
Me and Obama took the same “Oath” to protect and defend the country and constitution. Obama lied on the day he put his hand on the bible and took this oath, and he’s been lying ever since. Even though I’m “retired” from the service, I still take this oath seriously.Call me anything you want too. Obama is doing all of this for a reason. No one is this stupid. We are being divided and used against each other.
Or god your so un american your just jealous and your to stupid to inderstand my thoughts and i am above responding to yours
See what you need is evidence so far all you have are conspiracies with no backing just your say so give me one shred of evidence and i shall scof it down it like it was my last meal on earth
and if you dare respond to me with your deliberate conservative idiocy about how im deluding myself ill start writing like one of you no evidence no thinking just half thought through ideas. Its unthinking idiocy such as yours that cause all the problems in the world th taliban al queda Chinas refusal for reform for every argument you give me i can give you a dozen to counter it backed by history logic and an understanding of society while all you can do to that is go “your wrong and you delude yourself”
GIVE ME REASON GIVE ME A REASON TO LISTEN TO YOUR ARGUMENT DONT BE A FACELESS MORON WHO KILLS A FELLOW MAN FOR A REASONLAS HATE BRED INTO US THROUGH NOTHING.
oh i also meant to say
# a wise man on April 21st, 2010 3:52 pm
Leaf on April 10th, 2010 5:41 pm
Me and Obama took the same “Oath” (i forgot to put his name)
These are examples of people spouting out a lot of talk but not actually making a point they provide a base opinion then do not support their opinion with any evidence to support it
# a wise man on April 21st, 2010 3:52 pm
he just spouts random history then claims something not even relevant to the current events proves the revolution
Leaf on April 10th, 2010 5:41 pm
GWB made america look weak to the word anyway which policies
Me and Obama took the same “Oath”
thats just idiotic in the name of conservatives i hence give this statement that comment shows how stupid you are therefore i shall not respond (even though i did anyway)
a person - I’ll admit that I was wrong, when I hastily disagreed with you about Abraham Lincoln being guilty of having an illegal Civil War. That is one point you were absolutely correct about. My apologies.
Since you are most fixated on the “Me and Obama” quote that I made, I will address that.
I should have said “Obama and I”. The rest of that quote is correct and I will explain why. The day Obama was inaugurated, he took an oath to “Preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America”. I took a similar oath when I was sworn into the US Navy, “I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”.
Since the time Obama was sworn in, he has trampled on the Constitution. For any law to be “constitutional”—it must first and foremost enjoy the support and consent of a majority of the governed, from which all U.S. government powers are derived.
Obama’s seizure of one-sixth of the US economy via the Health Care industry grab (Which 89% of the US disagrees with), does NOT enjoy the consent of the governed and on this basis alone, it is an unconstitutional law.
Forcing you to buy health insurance from a private company against your will (after he excludes himself and his family from the same law) is unconstitutional.
Obama’s attempt to bribe Rep. Joe Sestak with a plum federal appointment if he dropped out of the race against Sen. Arlen Specter is a felony and an impeachable offense, yet Obama, and numerous house democrats are trying to sweep this under the rug as if it never happened.
Obama’s role as Head of the U.N. Security Counsel is illegal, unconstitutional, and constitutes high crimes and treason. “US Constitution Article 1 Section 9,
No Person holding Office, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”
I should also mention that, as President, Obama hasn’t done a damn thing about the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico other than suspend drilling in the Gulf, and takeover all oil leases there. Rather than use government resources to help defend the Gulf states and help BP with the cleanup process, he has placed all blame and responsibility on BP. It IS the responsibility of BP to clean up their mess, but it is the responsibility of the POTUS to protect our shores, so it falls on the Government to help plug the leak… Something Obama refuses to do. Why does he refuse? It’s simple. Obama has been opposed to drilling on and near our shores since he was a senator, and, in his mind, this disaster justifies his long time position. It will only make us more dependant on foreign oil, when we should be working on becoming self reliant.
I rest.
Its time to wake up america.The man mad laws will soon shit on you as it has me.Iam ready to pick my guns up and defend the land.Our fore fathers came to settle this land to get away from the same shit we are going through.I say we start to starve the giant.and if that fails prepare for war
Leaf on May 27th, 2010 10:36 am
thank you that actually made alot of sense I never had seen US Constitution Article 1 Section 9 I read it it is very interesting especially the part that says
The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
So what Im wondering is why didnt Bush state he had a legal right to revok habeas corpus instead of all that crap about how they were not enemy combatants but they werent civilians either or some othe nonsense.
But leaf your quite right it does say that without the approval of congress he cannot accept the role which is fairly interesting but the UN is not technically a foreign state rather a collection of which the US is a part and as a member eligible to be presented as head of the security counsel (politics is run on technicalities)
But regarding this quote
“Since the time Obama was sworn in, he has trampled on the Constitution. For any law to be “constitutional”—it must first and foremost enjoy the support and consent of a majority of the governed, from which all U.S. government powers are derived.
Obama’s seizure of one-sixth of the US economy via the Health Care industry grab (Which 89% of the US disagrees with), does NOT enjoy the consent of the governed and on this basis alone, it is an unconstitutional law”
Which laws has he passed unconstitutionally because health care was passed through the house and he hasnt passed anything else that I know of.
Also regarding the oil spill i would agree he is not doing enough while not as deadly as Katrina it is potentially the most deadly thing to happen to louissiana because of the fishing industry. What I propose he should do is hire the out of work fishermen to help clean up the mess that would provide profits and help protect the coat line there are thousands of boats out there just doing nothing at the moment
A person, going back in time here. Before, tho, I admit I had not ready much recent posts (so many!).
“And the state has more control over the national guard than the federal government the whole point of the national guard is to stop the federal government from taking over which is stupid.”
If the states have more control over the NG than the federal government, then why are states like Texas and Arizona currently begging Obama administration and congress to supply thousands of troops to secure the borders? If the states had more control, why do they have to plead with the federal government for the NG’s support?
yeh that was a long time ago but go back to the 50s and you will find Im right
Little Rock high school nine black students wanted to join the school when denied the supreme court ruled it was discrimination and ordered the school to allow them. The governer of arkansas Orval Faubus ordered the national guard troopers to stop them,President eissenhower then sent federal soldiers to get the kids into the school there was a six week stand off.
Now what you may be confusing this with is the fact that the National guard are made up jointly partly by reserve forces state troopers ect the type of semi soldier or more like an armed police force or keepers of the peace, the permanent state garrisons which depending on the wealth or populance of the particular state can be made up of just state troops or US army troops.
See the national guard are supposed to be a states militia. However under the constitution in times of emergency the defence department can take direct control over them or state governers can draft them.
what you may be thinking is
The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007 Pub.L. 109-364
Federal law was changed in section 1076 so that the Governor of a state is no longer the sole commander in chief of their state’s National Guard during emergencies within the state. The President of the United States will now be able to take total control of a state’s National Guard units without the governor’s consent.[13]
However this was repealed so that the president could only call on the national guard in congress sanctioned national emergencies.
One of the weaknesses of the United states you boast the best equipt and second largest army and the biggest navy and most advanced airforce ect but to mobilise half your armed forces you need state agreement so all that would be required to conquer the USA would be to cut communications then your defence forces couldnt even be mobilised.
Can I just say that all you right wingers constantly whine about communism and socialism being yet if you want some facts then I can give you over a dozen successful socialist almost communist countries yet I can only give you one example of succesful american capitalism.
(On a side not American capitalism and freedom dont actually exist so really I cant give one considering your country got rich by exploiting an empire not through a superior system and despite all your boasts of freedom you became rich the same way europe did)
Policy, Obamas policy will without a doubt bring the United States down..it’s not black or white..it’s Socialist/Marxist policy.. I do not doubt there will be a civil war or a breakup of the existing states as we know them today. Many will die and many will realize at some point that Obama is to blame. To the person who claims they can point to successful Socialist or Communist governments, what is your definition of success? If you think they are so great, go there, live their lives. I spent 30 years in the United States Marine Corps, a Fleet Marine for most of that and retired 1st. Sgt. I deployed everywhere from Cuba, Viet Nam in the 60’s & 70’s, Grenada in the 80’s, Kwaite, Somilia in the 90’s and a few others in between. I can tell you from first hand experience none of those goverments worked, they were your Socialist/Communist ran countries. Extreme poverty, death squads, violence beyond anything you have ever heard of by the goverment. People living in grass and mud huts and suffering every kind of illness, most of you cannot even imagine. No medical services, no clean water, nothing to eat..So thats right, you tell me about your better way of living. I’ll buy your ticket!
One Vietnam is a succesful country, Granada was under a facist american instated government which was incredibly unpopular and had huge death camps and crimes against humainity as opposed to the socialist government which was supported by the public. Cuba may not be within our definition of really wealthy but under batista (the american supported fascist dictator) the average Cuban was much worse than under Castro. Kuwaite was invaded by Iraq a facist american supported dictatorship, and somalia was islamic fundamentilists not communism or socialism.
Now if you cant think of any succesful socialist countries then:
Britain
France
Germany
Belgium
Italy
Spain (despite having a right wing party in power that was overthrown)
Portugal (similar to spain)
Poland (despite being dominated by extreme stalinism it still went left)
Ireland
Austria
Australia
New Zealand
Japan
And communist countries (in my opinion)
Finland
Sweden
Denmark
Norway
Vietnam
Cuba
China
and 50s to 70s soviet union (unfortunately it declined after that)
(I consider the scandanavian countries communist) All these countries have something in comon, Health Care and medium government restrictions on bussiness, while Helth Care may be bad in China Cuba and Vietnam there are still cheap drugs.
And I have a date for you… 10-10-2010
Constitutional Revolution
10 million citizens
Washington Mall
Do not bring children with you
We won’t leave until Obama leaves. We demand new elections and a new dedication to the Constitution.
Obama is not a patriot and the reason this country will be divided up or tear itself apart because the federal government has trampled on the peoples liberties, used the constitution as toilet paper and raped lady liberty. Things are coming to a head and the people are beginning to see who is really running things and that’s the offshore corporation and rat bastard bankers.
There will be a civil war. No doubt abut it. Let me paint a quite possible future scenario. Quite possible.
A second American civil war would probably begin sometime between 2014 and 2016. Obama and the leftist will win the 2012 election with about 35% of the popular vote. The moderates and the right would split into a number of center-right political parties, to give the leftists a plurality of the vote. While 65% of the electorate would have voted against Obama and the leftists, a fragmented center-left vote could give the left a plurality, and therefore, control.
I believe Obama does want follow Hugo Chavez’ example. In the possible scenario leading up to civil war, it is quite possible that by by late 2013 or early 2014, the leftists would have power, but not have the popular support, to suspend the current constitution. Following Hugo Chavez’ example Obama and the radical left, could then call for “constitutional congress” to write a new socialist constitution. Such a new constitution would give Obama unlimited powers, and he could rule by decree, which the leftist congress would rubber stamp.. The left would want for Obama to become “President for Life”, again a-la-Hugo Chavez.
In the possible scenario leading up to civil war, there would be be no freedom of speech. Today, in Venezuela, anyone speaking out against Hugo Chavez is vilified and often arrested. That could very well happen in the US after the election of 2012. I personally believe it will happen. WE will see Venezuelazation” of the US.
Conservatives, moderates, non socialists, Christians, Jews, and everyone whom “a person” would want to put in leftist concentration camps, would make up the population of a new “Confederation of States”.
A bloody civil war in coming. The US could be split up into at least 4 or 5 countries I would want to live in the “Confederation of States.”
Shut up your a moron just seriously never talk again in your entire life your to stupid to have opinions why was there no civil war under geroge bush then why was there no war against FDR. Just because im a communist doesnt mean id put people in concentration camps by saying that you are showing your ignorance and stupidity.
A person, you shut up. You have the intellect of a tapeworm. Now, sue me for defamation!! Actually, a tapeworm has somewhat more intellect than you have.
The pressure has been building up since the Vietnam war. There is a point at which the pressure will build up until it explodes. That point is fast approaching. A house divided against itself cannot stand. The country is too polarized.
A person, you’re the moron, not I. My Yorkshire terrier has more smarts than you have. Don’t talk if you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Communists like totalitarianism. Communism doesn’t work without totalitarianism and prisons or gulags. That is historical fact. Communist set up work (concentration) camps and gulags for those they deem to be enemies. Pol Pot was a communist. Wonder how many died under his rule? Mao’s great Cultural Revolution eliminated millions who were not totally politically correct. Your hero, Joseph Stalin, put MILLIONS of people in concentration camps. They were called gulags. Oh, and by the way, so did Nikita. Yeah, he criticized Uncle Joe, but Nikita was still a tyrant, and ran a police state. Fidel may not have had camps, but he put anyone who opposed him him in prison where they were tortured. This is happening right now in your beloved Venezuela. Perhaps you ought to prostrate yourself before Hugo Chavez. Even better, you ought to live is his wonderful Bolivarian paradise. I have friends, decent lower middle class people who were arrested by your buddy Hugo for no real reason, other than they spoke out against an injustice. They are in prison for criticizing his government.
My friend Ernesto Garzón, was a small business owner. He and his wife ran a small “tienda”, a mom and pop store in Ciudad Bolívar. First Ernesto was arrested. Then, Maruja his wife was arrested when she tried to find out why he had been detained and where he had been taken. The Chavez police took her away. This happens every day in Venezuela. You say something against Chavez,. and you run the risk of being put in prison. I have lived in Venezuela and Colombia. I know lots of people there. There are many “arrepentidos” who voted for Chavez the first time he ran for office, and who now wish they hadn’t. You cannot name a Communist.leader who has not governed in a a police state. Gorbachev may have been less of a tyrant Brezhnev, but he still ran a totalitarian state. Kim Jong Il is a Communist. What a paradise he has for his people! You might love it there!. It doesn’t matter that Kim is a ruthless tyrant. He’s a Communist., so he’s your kind of guy.
Since you may want to live in Venezuela and pay homage to Chaves, here is a little Spanish lesson for you. ¡Antes de acusar a los demás de ser idiotas, mírate en el espejo, pendejo! ¡Besale el culo a Hugito!
Well put Yorkiedad. Thank you for your posts.
Unfortunately, a person will not wake up to those facts. He’s so set in his beliefs that the only way to deal with him is through benign neglect (ignore his ass).
I like “A Person’s” comments. Why? Because it shows the mindset of communists. They believe they know better for you than *you do.
Well, here’s some facts for “A Person”.
Slavery is outlawed in America. People do not want communism and they will not accept it because communism makes slaves of people. A communist does not have the right to force those people who do not want it into communism. If you say that “well, the *majority* voted to make America communist and so we must go with the majority”…..think again. The “Majority” does not have the right to make slaves of the “Minority”.
In any case, you communists are about to be uncomfortably amazed at which category you fall in. Here’s a hint….it is not the Majority.
In addition, people in the military will not follow orders to make America communist. They took an oath for the Constitution of the United States. They will defend America against all enemies both Foreign AND Domestic. Obama is a Domestic enemy. Communists are domestic enemies. Anyone supporting Obama is a domestic enemy.
Yessir, you guys will be very very surprised.
RedFish
The problem here is that most students today have as much knowledge about history as my Yorkshire terrier has about nuclear physics. They are gullible, and the extreme left know it. By the time they wake up from their delusional slumber, it will be too late.
I know someone who woke up too late. He is Venezuelan. When he was at the University, he was gung-ho for Hugo “Cara de Chancho” Chávez.. He believed all the horse manure he was being given by the Marxist left. He voted for Chávez, marched for Chávez, and worked for Chávez. He thought Chávez was God.l
Then one day, something happened. His older sister, who didn’t particularly like Chávez was arrested for a minor offense…telling an off color Chávez joke. She was denounced by a fellow student, and was hauled into the local police station, roughed up, hit with a rubber hose, and warned to keep her “puta boca cerrada”, which means “keep your f****** mouth closed. Others, who used to be Chávez supporters are now amongst the ranks of what are called “Los Arrepentidos”, the “Remorseful”, those who now regret having been led down the pink road of Communism. A person is like the a**holes in Venezuela who voted for Chávez. Perhaps one day, he will see the light, and become an “Arreppentido.”
This is why, those of us who know what to expect, realize the only way to preserve our freedom, and our constitutional values, is for there to be peaceful secession, let the red states pull out of the Federal Union, and let the blue left wish us “good riddance.” But, that won’t happen. We will have to have a bloody civil war, one which we will win, at a high cost in blood and treasure, in order to have a center-right, Judeo-Christian country, where the rule of law is respected, and where an illegal immigrant is illegal.
Obama wants to be president for life, (PFL) and the left, starting with George Soros want that as well, Again, Chávez is the model they want to follow. At some point, expect the word “socialist” to become part of the name of the country…maybe United Socialist States or something similar. The civil war is approaching…faster and faster. I think that somewhere in the 2014 to 2018 time frame, we will see armed insurrections break out all over the country as the laws become more oppressive. At first, the will be disorganized, no real leader, but as the government moves to put them down with brutal force, troops will desert the military, and at some point, the insurrections will become cohesive, and a centralized leadership will emerge. Then there will be full blown civil war. It will end, after several years of horrific bloodshed, with the partition of the country into two, perhaps the revival of the Confederacy, albeit under a different name. Obama will go down in history as the last president of the United States, and as the butcher of the left. He will be a war criminal but will never be judged.
Post civil war, it will be anyone’s guess what will happen. It is possible that the rest of the US might also split up, perhaps there will be a Republic of New Africa, a Gay Republic, and who knows what else.
I revisited on of “a person’s” posts. He talks about the wonderful socialism of Europe.
Well, we’ve seen Greek riots, because the country is bankrupt! Bailed out by the
European Union, at least for the short haul. Spain, Italy and Portugal are next in line for economic collapse. There is little to no private investment in the Spanish, Greek, Italian and Portuguese economies. Let’s have “a person” show us how much private sector investors are investing in the economies of those countries. Zapatero is taking Spain down the rosy road to Greece like economic ruin.
The French economy has been stagnant for years. Little or no manufacturing, and with the exception of vino, France has no real exports. The Peugeot and Renault and Citroen car makers are heavily subsidized by the government, and the quality is a joke. Airbus is a government consortium. There is no private capital. Any one in France with money is not investing it, at least not in France.
I would not want to live in the UK and need a bypass at age 60 or older. Guess what? “Sorry Charlie, you’re too old, here’s a bottle of pills to ease the pain of your next heart attack. Need kidney dyolisys, depending upon your age in the UK, you may be s*** out of luck. The elderly fare less well in socialized medicine environments. There is rationing. That is a documented fact. Look at Canada, and the number of Canadians who come to the US for medical procedures that are denied to them in Canada. The same is true in all the Scandinavian countries. Health care is great as long as you are able to work and are below the age of 60. Hit the big SIX OH, and you are now in rationed care, and the system plays God with your life. I have an elderly relative in Norway (my grandmother and great aunt were born in Norway) who is being maintained on pain pills because life saving chemo cannot be justified for someone of his age. It’s too expensive, he’s a pensioner, he doesn’t produce, therefore, in the Norwegian socialist system, he’s considered a burden to society, and he faster he dies, the better. No more pension, no more state health care, no more burden on society.
That is not what I want. I don’t want some government bureaucrat telling me “sorry Charlie, you’re too old to justify surgery to save your life.” In socialist societies, the lives of those over 60 have less value than the lives of those under 60.
During Mao’s “Great Cultural Revolution” the authorities could force a woman to have an abortion. Depending where she lived, whom she knew, and whom she she could possibly bribe, Chinese couples had to get permission from the state to have a child. In some areas of China, there was a limit of one child. If a woman already had one child, and was pregnant with another, the state required her to have an abortion, even if she did not want one. There is also a little known fact that women who gave birth to babies and who had been scheduled for population control abortions, the babies were eliminated, usually a gun shot to the head by a party enforcer. That may not be the case anymore, but I suspect the law requiring it is still on the books.
“A Person” would probably love to live in North Korea. Communism hard at work. Wonder way so many want to leave?
Just a few thoughts on the issue.
As much as I don’t wan’t the U.S. to break apart. I feel that something has started in this county, that is making it slip to its end as one. It’s easy to blame D.C., and in all rights people should. We saw what happen to Europe when the rich few tried ruling, tyrannically stealing, and enslaving it’s people. I think that the govt should look at this, unless they want all their pillaged plunder to go to waste.
I’d say that it is historically accurate to realize that economic woes most often lead to conflict. Given the number of economical concerns, what we are waiting for at this point is that unseen event which in turn begins the “domino effect.” Unlike in the past, the essential working parts of our economic structure are either strained to the point of failure or were inherently flawed to begin with and as a result, post catastrophic event, we will find ourselves incapable of recovery. Civil war is actually a reality one would be unwise to dismiss. Strategically, the U.S. would make Afghanistan look like a walk in the park. Only by initiating a scorched earth policy could the powers that be even have a chance at controlling the population. Conventional warfare, assuming it would be coast to coast, would quickly break our military forces. Trained and armed as they are, the task would simply prove overwhelming as the strain of employment unfolded and resources drained faster than could be replenished. Those that find the idea of civil war to be repugnant, I can understand. However, I would rather endure civil conflict than silently stand by and fail to uphold the very essence of what makes being a citizen of this particular country so special in the first place. Rather that the union dissolve than lose our soul as a people that have always valued liberty as our greatest asset. Thomas Jefferson realized that liberty would always be at risk and that the people would eventually have to defend it. And should the people no longer believe, liberty would soon cease to exist.
@ a person, a simple wrong will suffice with you. The reason we are going to have a civil war is because we all want one. It’s true, we have become burden with our laxidasical lives. My buddies are in war, I cannot find meaningful work, no one will admit to being racist (I know I am). Moreover, we all like war. Humans make war. It happens. Let’s embrace it, it’s like we all know it’s going to be a big shit sandwich so let’s just take a bite already. We should just get it over with so we can watch some more crappy reality tv. I want to be the one underneath the falling nuke trying to catch it. We can blame who we want, but in the end the points are trivial. There are too many people who like to make babies because of their own egos and there simply is not enough resources to go around (there are plenty of excrement hogies). I have my degree in molecular biology and I say… Our bio-mechancal machinery that makes up our existence on this grey terrestrial wasteland will be embraced. Let us live as we will in the most Calvinistic approach ever seen. The victor will be the one whose ideals are right, prepare the war trumpet and pour out your bowls. I am sick of eating captain crunch, let us embrace instead captain America and allow our trivial war mongering thoughts to shield of from the book of lies. We have all written in it and so let us fight like warrior poets.
WOW!
That was hot!
Are you a broad. PM me we can hook up and hate fuck
a person,
Its ridiculous to say that in the case of a new civil war that the american government would use nuclear weapons against those people who oppose it who are citizens of the united states. what would they look like to the world if they started nuking themselves. Their power comes from their ability to make their opponents blind to the truth of their wrong doings. How exactly would they cover up nuking people that stand up publically against their actions? It would be like admitting “This image of a free country is all a facade, and now were too powerful for anyone to put a stop to.” That’s just not the style of the government. They dont know how to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Best time to further your cause is during a CRISIS. My flag flies upside down. Soon it will be understood by the informed citizenary. Keep your the powder dry.
Best time to further your cause is during a CRISIS. My flag flies upside down. Soon it will be understood by the informed citizenry. Keep your powder dry.
Common Sense,
My flag does not fly upside down. Rather, my 10 gauge shotgun is fully loaded, my gas mask and bullet proof vest are ready, I have a year’s supply of meals ready to eat and a huge supply of water purification tablets. I have twenty boxes of ammo for my shotgun. I have enough dog food on hand to last my two Yorkshire Terriers for a year! I have battteries and solar cells, and a gasolinel powered electric generator. I am ready for the armed insurrection against the leftists.
With each misstep by the leftists, with each move to take away our rights, we move closer and closer towards insurrection and civil war. I like my freedom. I want to live in a country where I can call the leader an asshole if that is what I believe him or her to be. I want to live in a country where health care is not going to be rationed, and where bureaucrats are not going to play God with people’s lives. I want to live in a country where I will not be taxed to excess. I want to live in a country where I can earn as much as I can, as long as I don’t trample on anyone else. I want to live in a country that accepts God and where being a Christian is not politically incorrect. I want to live in a country where people can raise their children without the government telling them what theymust and must not teach their children. I want to live in a country where charity comes from the heart, not from the jackboots of the IRS agents. As things are headed now, none of the things that made this a great country will be permissible much longer.
I want to live in a country I can be proud of. I can’t say that right now. But the day will come, when there is the birth of a new nation on the North American continent. And I will be proud to live in that nation.
VILLA LA CIVIL WAR!!!!! Im so sick of the usa way of life I could shoot myself we need change now! Usa is doomed to fail just like rome and all those other so called great nations……. VILLA LA CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ps. its not going to happen in 2010 but if things keep going the way they are then you can bet ur ass it will happen by 2015
A little dramatic don’t you think? There is good reason to be fearful. However, in reality this will more than likely play out another way. The situation would be far worse if 50% of the population actually supported joker. The truth of the matter is, he is president of about 25%-35% of the population. The disenfranchised, most minorities, poor people, liberal f@ck he@ds and a few misguided democrats. His election is what most people think it is, a mistake. Not so much because he is a lefty (or bbllleckk), but mainly because he is incompetent. Truth be told, if he was really a great man and great leader, he would be able to inspire those across the aisle and across the country to consider his ideas, but of course he does not really have any. Overall, he is less than mediocre and in way over his head at a time of great fragility for our country.
The electorate is going to correct the mistake. The numbers are there. People! Yes we elected joker. But not because we all want to be left wing now. It was classic bait and switch at a time when the popularity of the previous president was very low among indies, democrats and republicans. This left people very open to the idea of giving this guy a chance especially against someone who was unfortunately a weak candidate. Clearly now, most people see the mistake despite what the propaganda outlet tries to tell us.
It’s an inversion. What if you could flip everything on it’s head. What if you focused all of your energy and “caring” on 30% of the population. For those people you promised the world and an eternal safety net, and daily you reminded them how much you care and someone is “looking out for them” (the little people). Everyone else just had to feel discomfort. Discomfort on all levels, economic, political, social, etc.. General uncertainty. This is the inversion and this is why the liberals don’t feel bad. The discomfort is generally spent by the lower 30%. This administration, through their own audacity, has flipped everything.
The problem is, it doesn’t work. They need another 20%. I am fearful but optimistic.
Mr. Author;
I currently serve in the Military, and with each day that passes I see the division between the people of this great nation. As a Soldier who has seen, experienced and lost friends in war, I wonder and I ask; why??, Our nation was built on ideals of freedom, justice and to get rid of a foreign enemy. Now days, who is the enemy??, There are no nations bold enough to even attempt a full Military invasion on our soil. I know that we are in a financial crisis, but internal fighting and people speaking about Civil War on American soil is disturbing. These are people that have never experienced war or even seen the effects and destruction that it causes.
I guess I just wanted to vent and give my opinion and use my “FREEDOM OF SPEECH” that I have so honorably defended.
But to all members, remember this and mark my words if you ask for War it will come, and war is not a game and it will not be over before the weekend, lives will be lost and innocent people will die in vain, and the first ones to run are the ones that preached for war the most, stay away from those people, and use your liberties and voice and diplomacy before resorting to war or the thought of it.
thanks for your attention from an OIF vet.
“this we’ll defend”
“I think it is time to take back this beautiful place GOD has given us. GOD gave us freedom here that you could not get in any other country in the world.”
Did GOD also give Columbus the dogs he used to hunt indigenous Americans for sport? Or did GOD instill the belief that one race was superior than another therefore supporting the genocide of an entire people? This country was founded on death, deception and destruction, and so it shall end in the same way. Sorry folks, you reap what you sow. GOD has nothing to do with it. Maybe GOD led Europeans to this country to LEARN about true spirituality from the people who were here-about respecting the earth and each individual no matter what they look like. Alas, they missed the boat and the same GREED and FALSE BELIEFS of superiority that built a nation will ultimately be its downfall.
It says a lot about the state of the country here on this board. The fact that 85% of the posters are spelling/grammatically challenged and are spewing quotes straight from certain news stations (got news for you folks-the pundits ALL serve the same MASTER on matter what side of the coin they support) tells me that the REAL problems of this country stem from the bottom up.
The land of (wasted) opportunity is what we’ve devolved into. Too lazy to exercise the mind, a population that is so far down the rankings when it comes to education, with all the resources available. Read about the founding fathers, who they really were as opposed to how the textbooks/media slime like to portray them.
The fact that 85% of the posters are spelling/grammatically challenged -
Hey Bob,
I may be a poor typist, but I am neither spelling challenged nor grammatically challenged. Do not assume that those of us who are politically conservative are poorly educated.
For your information, I learned spelling and grammar the old fashioned way…I read Sir Winston Churchill’s “History of the English Speaking Peoples.” No one knew more about English grammar in the 20th century than Sir Winston. If Sir Winston said it or wrote it, it was grammatically correct!! Furthermore, when I went to school, we were taught to diagram sentences. And, to make things even more interesting, from a grammatical point of view, I took two years of Latin in High School. Anyone who takes Latin learns grammar and vocabulary.
I believe this nation is headed towards civil war. The country is too polarized to continue as a united country. I do believe that, when the civil war is over, there will be a new, vibrant nation on the North American continent, a nation that will replace the old United States as a world economic power. That new nation will be based on conservative economic and social values.
When you have a government that has effectively ruined you financially, stacked the deck against you economically, and continuously acts in ways that strip you of your freedom, it is not unreasonable for one to prefer a bloody revolution over the slow pace of destruction we’re forced to live through. At least with a revolution, we can retain our self-respect even if we lose our lives–something far preferable to becoming pigs in cages living on antibiotics.
You know whats funny what your talking about is left liberal progressive (if you what you were saying was accurate) people rising up aginst an oppressive upper class controlling majority is where liberlism arose from the age of revolutions was the people rising against opressive governments (but unfortunately were all crushed).
yorkiedad
all your rantings about communism have you read the communist manifesto or maos little red book or quotes from Lenin (actually scratch Mao I dont like him) or the projects of Dong shao ping (i definatley spelt that wrong) Or even Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin what these people had in common was they were all considered liberals and leftist thinkers progressive thinkers people who wanted to move forward the social future of their fellow men unfortunately bad luck befouled many a great plan.
Lenin died with explicit commands dont let stalin gain power let trotsky this did not happen trotsky a sensible sane very progressive intellectual got killed with an icepick in the brain.
While stalin a mentally scarred abused farm boy who robbed banks and demanded attention gained full power in the USSR and not just single party controll like the rest had (which means a leader can be voted out) he was a full dictator. Who was more concerned with crushing his opposition ie anyone who supported trotsky the problem was trotsky was one of the most brilliant tactical minds in the 20th century perhaps one of the greatist ever so the military loved him and many many peasants and country people and intellectuals loved him as well. So Stalin purged everyone who ever remotley liked him.
This which I have stated is not communism as coined by Karl Marx and his friend Engels (i can never remember his first name) this was a selfish petty pathetic attempt by someone who had probably never had a friend before to try and force the love of a country (which ironically worked despite what our parents told us)
Dong Xiao Ping was the mastermind behind revitilising china turning it into the biggest country in the world china is one large war away from being the major super power (and i dont mean with America I mean because america only surpassed the European powers because it sold weapons to both sides while staying out of the war “trade with all alegiance to none”.)
There is to much in this post all ready and I know you all have short attention spans because I doubt you even read the majority of my posts like many you only take in the bits you want to take in rather than the reasoning behind it.
But one more thing the person who said that america wouldnt use nuclear weapons on its own people thats not what Im talking about.
I’m talking about the fact the rest of the world isnt going to let a bunch of crazy extremists get their hands on the world largest nuclear stockpile. If it really gets desperate russia will invade alaska (re invade) briain while sur up the east coast along with french and probably german soldiers. And Australia and New Zealand along with maybe american government loyalist and perhaps even chinese soldiers will seize the west coast (though probaly not chinese that just take it as their own or russians for that matter).
But really think about it iif theres a civil war do you really think itll be anything but a way for foreign governments to weaken America countries like Pakistan China Russia (perhaps India) and maybe Saudi Arabia will just send lots of money to whoevers losing then once the countries weak theyll support the group thatll make America the poorest and weakest and most corrupt so that they can get at your resources cheaply. (which come to think of it sounds like ww1 the USA backing both sides picks the losing side right at the end of the war and turn europe into a dirt pile interesting i wonder… just a conspiracy theory but an interesting one)
A person
I have read the Communist Manifesto three times.
The first time, I read the Communist Manifesto, it was required reading in my literature class in 11th grade, along with “Mein Kampf.” We had to read,compare and contrast Fascism with Communism. I also read the “Discursos” of Francisco Franco in the original Spanish, again, to get a feel for what the fascists thought.
The second time I read it, was for a government class I took in college. We read Plato’s Republic, Saint Augustine’s “City of God”, Mao’s Little Red Book, Cicero’s “Orations”, and the Collected Writing of Sir Winston Churchill. Have you read Plato’s Republic? The precursor to Marx and Friedrich Engels. You can’t understand the Communist Manifesto without first reading Plato.
The third time I read it was about two years ago, for the sheer heck of it.
As for the practice of Communism, Lenin was a murderer. He ordered many people to be killed during the war between the Bolsheviks and the White Russians. Communism leads to dictatorship. Mao was a dictator, and millions died in the Cultural Revolution. Pol Pot was a Communist, and he killed at least a million people. People do not have rights under Communism.
Hugo Chavez has taken over as “El Supremo” in Venezuela. Anyone who is opposed to “Cara de Chancho” as he is called. winds up beaten, or dead, in prison. I have Venezuelan friends, most of whom voted for Chavez, who now are repentant, they are “los arrepentidos” the regretful ones. They see freedom of speech and of the press being taken away. They see freedom of religion under attack, as Chavez now wants Venezuelans to embrace Islam and antisemitism. How many Cubans are there in Castro’s jails, and how many Cubans risk it all to come to the United States because of the lack of individual freedom in Cuba?
Do not accuse me of not being well read in the political classics. i don’t rant. The United States is a majority center-right country. Yet, the minority left has seized power, and intend to hang on to power. Leftists are good at stealing elections, at telling any lie to gain power, at intimidation. I expect SEIU, Black Panthers and other assorted Obama goons to be very active at the polls in November. I expect the Democrats twill challenge every single vote cast for a Centrist or a Conservative. The left will try to tie up the election results in court, hoping to make the conservative and centrist winners give up and concede. They will use any dirty trick they can to hang on to power.
The only way to take back our rights is through civil unrest leading to insurrection and civil war, or, possibly a military coup. It is not impossible that a coup could take place in the United States. It may seem improbable, but it is possible. Again, when people are pushed beyond what they are willing to accept, they will take action.